brown family portsmouth,england

[christanel]

Hello David

I have been looking for the marriage of your John Brown to a Jane Griffith and I can't find one either on FreeBMD or for further back on family search.org. The only one showing is the one for the John, mariner, and Jane which is the couple I have already given you in the 1851 census and this Louisa appears to marry and die in Hampshire according to the trees on ancestry.

What are the names of Louisa's 7 children? It may be she named them after some of her siblings.

As you can tell I am struggling here.

Christanel

[christanel]

Aha. Just found this which links the Brown and Griffiths but I haven't worked my way through it yet.
1841 census HO107 Piece 415 Book 8 Civil Folio 33 Page 27
Portsea Town Hampshire
Albion Street
William Griffith 57 born in county? NO
Louisa Griffith 18 NO
Jane Brown 34 Yes
William Brown 9 Yes
Sarah Brown 8 Yes
Louisa Brown 7 Months

I can't read William's occupation. Sodid Louisa knock a couple of years off her age? Quite likely.

[christanel]

The girls are in the workhouse with their mother

1851 HO107 Piece 1657 Folio 562 Page 19
Portsea Island Union Workhouse
Jane Brown 44 Widow, pauper washer woman born Portsea
Louise Brown 12 scholar in workhouse school born Portsea
Sarah Brown 15 scholar in workhouse school born Portsea

[christanel]

Jane Brown is still in the workhouse in 1861
RG 9 Piece 635 Folio 100 Page 15
Jane Brown 55 Widow Pauper born Portsea.

[christanel]

I can't see Louisa in the 1861 census so I went looking for her on her way to Oz 1851 - 1861. Here is a possible entry. When was her first child born?

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
Louisa Brown
Age 21 born abt 1839
Arrival Date - 24 Feb 1860
Arrived Melbourne, Australia
Departed Liverpool
Ship - Prince Of The Seas

Edited to add: See post #17 which rules this out as Louisa was in South Australia in 1859

[david walker]

Hi Christanel , thank you for your time and effort towards my query, i was not sure how to link Procat's pages to me so i copied and pasted , them , it has been quiet a few years trying to find louisa, and were and when she left england and arrived in australia, and if my gg grandfather marry louisa my gg grandmother, i have been unable to find any marriage at all maybe just a change of surname , for louisa, very grateful once again , christanel, from david

Only two births recorded according to SA BMD index between 1842 and 1906:

Digger - South Australian Births 1842-1906 (c) SAGHS
Surname: WALKER
Given Names: Mary Jane
Date: 1859-05-16
Sex: F
Father: Levi WALKER
Mother: Louisa BROWN
Birth Place/Residence: Port Adelaide
District Code: Ade
Book: 15
Page: 110

Surname: WALKER
Given Names: William
Date: 1861-07-10
Father: Levi WALKER
Mother: Louisa BROWN
Birth Place/Residence: Port Adelaide
District Code: Ade
Book: 20
Page: 149
Cross Reference:

This may be the rest of the family but in Victoria:

Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888
Surname: WALKER
Given Names: Hannah
Spouse Surname/Father: Levi
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Louisa BROWN
Birth Place: FITZ
Death Place:
Year: 1863
Reg Number: 13437


Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888
Surname: WALKER
Given Names: Louisa
Event: D
Spouse Surname/Father: Levi
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Louisa BROWN
Age: 16
Birth Place: FITZROY
Death Place:
Year: 1879
Reg Number: 8464

(I suspect that it is possible that this is the daughter registered as Hannah in 1863. The place of birth is certainly the same)

Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888
Surname: WALKER
Given Names: Elizabeth
Event: B
Spouse Surname/Father: Levi
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Louisa BROWN
Birth Place: COLL
Year: 1865
Reg Number: 1705

Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888
Surname: WALKER
Given Names: Marshall
Spouse Surname/Father: Levi
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Louisa BROWN
Birth Place: MELB
Year: 1867
Reg Number: 23508

Digger - Pioneer Index. Victoria 1836-1888
Surname: WALKER
Given Names: Sarah
Spouse Surname/Father: Levi
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Louisa BROWN
Birth Place: MELB
Year: 1871
Reg Number: 10889

I would suggest it may assist if you purchase a birth certificate of one of the later children as Victorian certificates record the names and ages of the previous children.

[christanel]

Hello David

I have been reading your other posts re Louisa Brown and her husbands and children. These are the links if others want to help.

https://www.british-genealogy.com/for...-family-update
https://www.british-genealogy.com/for...-lookup-please.
https://www.british-genealogy.com/for...-lookup-please.

I note that Louisa died in 1892 age given as 54. This would make her birth year 1838 whereas on her marriage to Thomas Denning in 1877 she has given her age as 35 making her birth year 1842 but the 1841 census with a Louisa Brown 7 months makes her birth year 1840. As Thomas was aged 30 it is very likely that Louisa knocked some years off her age to bring her closer to her husband's age. So now we have a birth year of 1838/1842 Louisa Brown with mother Jane and grandfather William Griffith I gave in post #12 is looking good

However as it appears that Louisa was in South Australia in 1859 for the birth of Mary Jane Walker to parents Levi Walker and Louisa Brown we can discount the shipping record for a Louisa Brown to Vic in my post #15.

Christanel

[christanel]

I think this is a very likely birth reg for Louisa Brown in the 1841 census

Births Dec 1/4 1840
Louisa Brown registration district Portsea vol 7 page 131

To establish that the father was John Brown mariner it would be worth while ordering this certificate from the GRO Here using the above details from the FreeBMD site.

Christanel

[christanel]

From familysearch.org

Marriage
Jane Griffiths - Single
2 May 1824
At St. Mary's Church, Portsea, Hampshire, England
Spouse John Brown - single

No other information given in this transcript but it may be that the original film has more information. You can order it in at your local LDS centre or there is now an email service. Here enter 'Photo duplication into the box under 'Search Research Articles.'

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Christanel

[christanel]

You may also want to explore the possibility of there being records for Jane, Louisa and Sarah's stay in Portsea Workhouse.

This site Here has contact details.

Christanel