Bailey / Cotterill Mystery?

[pwholt]

My grandmother's oldest brother had the middle name Patteron. There is no family connection. Patterson was the name of his father's employer, to whom he had been apprenticed, so a long relationship. Bear in mind any close relationship might be similarly honoured. pwholt

[almach]

Deaths Mar 1873
Bayley Caroline, age 39 Congleton 8a 194

wrongly indexed as Barley.
1841, Astbury, Piece: 119; Book: 6; Folio: 5; Page: 4
Paul Barley 50, stonemason
Mary Barley 37
Paul Barley 7
Lettice Barley 5
Sarah Barley 3
Jno Johnson 42
Esther Johnson 26
Hannah Johnson 7


1851, HO107; Piece: 2167; Folio: 437; Page: 14;
Mary Ross 44, married, gardener's wife, Leek
Lettice Bayley 15, Biddulph
Sarah Bayley 11, Congleton
Mary A Bayley 7, Congleton
Joshua Walker 14
William Walker 11
Louisa Nash 24
Ann Jackson 12
Jane Barkas 17(if you look at the original sheet it actually says Paul Bayley, SON) stonemason, Congleton.

I don't think Paul was born in Congleton, the 1841 says 'N' (not born in county) he seems to have been born in Leek Staffs where his mother was from. By 1851 Paul senior had died and his wife Mary was now Mary Ross

[danile]

Hello pwholt, yes that seems to be the case here

Hi Alma,
Wow! Thankyou for the explanation. That's a lot of information to take in, I really am speechless! You've done so much and helped me beyond words, I could never have known any of this without you. By chance, would you be able to email me pictures of the documents you've referenced? My email is fjyod1234ATgmail.com, however, please don't feel pressured into sending me anything, you've done enough as it is. I would like to show my nan the records as these are her direct ancestors who she gets her name from
- Danile

[almach]

There are two Paul Bailey's born around the same time and in Staffordshire, both are stonemason's. Yours was born in Leek and his father was Paul, the other Paul was born Horton, his father was Job. I have the two sorted out and followed both through census returns. Paul born Horton married in the Cheadle registration district to Ann Knott, his marriage cert is online and father named Job. Confusingly there's these two census returns..............

1861, Hulme Lancashire, RG 9; Piece: 2900; Folio: 32; Page: 14
Paul Bailey 27, stone mason, Leek
Ann Bailey 21, wife, Congleton

1861,Consall Staffs RG 9; Piece: 1951; Folio: 36; Page: 9
Paul Bailey 28, stone mason, Horton
Ann Bailey 26
Mary Jane Bailey 2

I haven't found a marriage for Paul born Leek so I don't think he did marry Ann, as a couple they disappear after 1861 and of course by 1871 Paul had married Harriet and was living with her. He seems to have been a naughty lad!

[almach]

Hello pwholt, yes that seems to be the case here

Hi Alma,
Wow! Thankyou for the explanation. That's a lot of information to take in, I really am speechless! You've done so much and helped me beyond words, I could never have known any of this without you. By chance, would you be able to email me pictures of the documents you've referenced? My email is fjyod1234 at gmail com, however, please don't feel pressured into sending me anything, you've done enough as it is. I would like to show my nan the records as these are her direct ancestors who she gets her name from
- Danile

Hi Danile, that's a big ask, I'd be all night finding them all again and then downloading in preparation to forward them. If there's a couple of special interest I can oblige.

I've split your email address as email addresses published are open to spamming.

[danile]

Hi Alma, yes of course no worries, please do not send them if it is too much work, you have already done so much and I am overstepping, I am so greatful!

Also, I am still adding the Cotterills and new Baileys to my family tree, so I haven't read over the previous findings about the naughty Paul, I may need an explanation once I'm finished so that I have everything right. Thankyou again, please let me know if you sort out Paul's life

(And thankyou for the heads up about the spamming!)

- Danile

[almach]

Hi Danile, that's a big ask, I'd be all night finding them all again and then downloading in preparation to forward them. If there's a couple of special interest I can oblige.

I've split your email address as email addresses published are open to spamming.

I forgot to add that forum rules don't allow requests for downloads to be forwarded, also the subscription sites don't allow either. I know you didn't realise this so do not feel bad about asking.

[almach]

John Henry Bailey

BAYLEY, JOHN HENRY, Mother's maiden name KEY
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in CONGLETON Volume 08A Page 238

Parents
Caroline Key/Kay Paul Bailey

Marriage
24 Nov 1851 Biddulph.
Caroline Kay, age 19, father John
Paul Bailey age 18, father Paul.

Paul Bailey
Aug 18th, 1833, Leek
Paul, son of Mary and Paul Bailey a stonemason.

wrongly indexed as Barley.
1841, Astbury Chesire,, Piece: 119; Book: 6; Folio: 5; Page: 4
Paul Barley 50, stonemason
Mary Barley 37, Not born in county
Paul Barley 7, Not born in county
Lettice Barley 5, Not born in county
Sarah Barley 3

1851, HO107; Piece: 2167; Folio: 437; Page: 14;
Mary Ross 44, married, gardener's wife, Leek
Lettice Bayley 15, Biddulph
Sarah Bayley 11, Congleton
Mary A Bayley 7, Congleton
Joshua Walker 14
William Walker 11
Louisa Nash 24
Ann Jackson 12
Jane Barkas 17(if you look at the original sheet it actually says Paul Bayley, SON) stonemason, Congleton

1861, Hulme Lancashire, RG 9; Piece: 2900; Folio: 32; Page: 14
Paul Bailey 27, stonemason, Leek
Ann Bailey 21, wife, Congleton
I've found no evidence he married Ann

It looks like Paul married bigamously
27th Oct 1867, St Andrews Rugby
Paul Bailey, full age, widower, stonemason, father Paul Bailey a stonemason
Harriet Walton, full age, spinster, father Joseph Walton a labourer
Witnesses; Joseph Adcock and a name I cannot decipher
(Caroline still alive in 1871)

1871, Rugby RG10; Piece: 3184; Folio: 88; Page: 8
Paul Bailey, 35, stonemason, Leek
Harriet, wife, 26, Northamptonshire
Paul, son, 3, Rugby
Pauline, dau, 2, Rugby

1881, 23 Round Street, Rugby, RG11; Piece: 3077; Folio: 54; Page: 37
Paul Bailey 45, stonemason, Leek
Harriett Bailey 35, Northants
Paul T. Bailey 12, Rugby
Pauline Bailey 11, Rugby
Paulannia Bailey 9, Rugby
Pauleva Bailey 5, Rugby
Florence Bailey 2, Rugby
George Hancock 26, lodger

1891, 167 Bridge St Rugby RG12; Piece: 1201; Folio: 129; Page: 20
Paul Bailey 56, stonemason, Leek
Harriett Bailey 46, Northants
Paul T Bailey 22, stonemason, Rugby
Pauline Bailey 21, servant, Rugby
Florence Bailey 12, Rugby
Clara Bailey 8, Lutterworth Leicestershire
Avelina L Bailey 1, Northampton

Paul died 1892
Deaths Sep 1892
Bailey Paul 56 Northampton 3b 43

And Paulevia (that name makes me smile)
Deaths Mar 1891
Bailey Paulevia 14 Northampton 3b 64

[danile]

Hi Alma! Thankyou for that beautiful summary! There are quite a variety of Paul-like names haha. I have all of the information added to my tree now, I can't wait to show my nan

I just have one question, do you know what happened to Paul "Barley" after the 1841 census? Why did his wife's surname change to Ross? Do you think he walked out on her as well, and she remarried? Or could Ross be her maiden name? Please don't feel rushed to respond to this, again you have already done my family so much

- Danile

[christanel]

Hi
I have been reading this thread every day and in the early stages even did a little research before realising that Alma was way ahead of me at every step. Great work Alma.
Christina