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    �� thanks, you’ve been very helpful.

    �� thanks, you’ve been very helpful.
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    I’ve ordered the proper birth certificate and...

    I’ve ordered the proper birth certificate and received the electronic copy. Again the mother is listed as Elizabeth Sumner. So it must be the Elizabeth born 1835. The rest of those relatives seem to...
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    I think we have a winner.

    I think we have a winner.
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    If Iíve got the wrong birth certificate,...

    If Iíve got the wrong birth certificate, Elizabeth may not be his motherís name at all.
    Remember, the point I am stuck at is before the 1871 census.
    I can connect all the names and birthdates...
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    This lead is promising. I know my grandparents...

    This lead is promising. I know my grandparents (John and Margaret Sumner) lived in Upholland at one point.
    I will buy that certificate and see if it produces fruit. Thank you.
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    I don’t know when he died. He, Jane, Minnie and...

    I don’t know when he died. He, Jane, Minnie and Annie all came to Canada in 1925-ish, stayed for a few years, had some fallout and went back to England. My grandparents John and Margaret Sumner were...
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    My grandfather, John Sumner (born 1894)...

    My grandfather, John Sumner (born 1894) definitely had a sister named Minnie.
    Iím confused why you think I have wrong birth certificate for Frederick? Because Minnie put his birthdate as Dec 2,...
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    Thank you, this record seems to rule out...

    Thank you, this record seems to rule out Elizabeth Sumner from the Asylum as my great great grandmother.
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    Yes, that is my great grandfather’s marriage. He...

    Yes, that is my great grandfather’s marriage. He listed his father as John Sumner, but I’ve run that lead down every rabbit hole I’ve come across (before I sent for his birth certificate) and it...
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    Yes, that is my great grandfather’s marriage.

    Yes, that is my great grandfather’s marriage.
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    Iím sorry you misunderstood my original post, I...

    Iím sorry you misunderstood my original post, I am here to find out if Frederick Sumner was born to the Elizabeth Sumner in the asylum.

    I did give Fredericks exact DOB in previous post (JUNE 23,...
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    No. I didnít say Frederick was born in the...

    No. I didnít say Frederick was born in the Asylum. That was my question. Iím trying to find out what happened to Frederickís mother Elizabeth.

    Iíve never been there, so I do not know the lay of...
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    Signature, description and residence of...

    Signature, description and residence of informant:
    E. Sumner
    Mother
    53 Shaw St
    Great Bolton

    Of course none of this is the original birth certificate. Itís certified copy dated 23/12/2016 when...
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    Frederic (no k) Sumner Registration district:...

    Frederic (no k) Sumner
    Registration district: Bolton
    Birth in sub district of: Bolton East in county of Lancaster
    Signature of registrar: John S Scowcroft (I think)
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    I agree that that age seems off. Things I’m...

    I agree that that age seems off.
    Things I’m sure of, the Frederick living with his uncle in the 1881 census is my great grandfather. I ordered his birth certificate and his mother was Elizabeth...
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    Thanks for your quick response. My great great...

    Thanks for your quick response.
    My great great grandmothers name was Elizabeth Sumner. The 1861 census references R.G. 9/3115 76 18
    It lists Elizabeth as 8 years. Her father William is listed as...
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    Looking for my GGGrandmother in Bolton

    Looking for my great great grandmother born about 1853 Bolton UK. I think she may have given birth to my great grandfather in Prestwich Mental Asylum. She was very young and unwed when she gave birth...
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