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    Shame that Richard and Paul seem to no longer be...

    Shame that Richard and Paul seem to no longer be on the forum as I found an abjuration in late June 1752 at La Rochelle of a Francois Fradin of Moncoutant, son of Francois Fradin and Catherine (Nee...
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    I did find a possible lead on a French ancestor...

    I did find a possible lead on a French ancestor and was going to post it in a thread I started in late 2008 but sadly many of the other members of the site who contributed to the thread have since...
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    Congrats Christanel. Also yes, I would like to...

    Congrats Christanel.

    Also yes, I would like to add a special thanks to Peter Goodey as well, always liked him and he is a very well regarded member, and has a huge wealth of knowledge. He has...
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    Yes, people are quick to cry out the NPE old...

    Yes, people are quick to cry out the NPE old chestnut (informal adoption, extra marital dalliance) and that can be dangerous talk. I think such occurrences were pretty rare, it was different times...
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    I have some Huguenot, Scottish, distant Welsh and...

    I have some Huguenot, Scottish, distant Welsh and Irish ancestry. I think all countries have been settlements for migrants at some stage, I agree with the Out of Africa thing.

    No such thing as...
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    DNA disproving paper trails?

    Not always due to climbing the wrong tree but the possibility of a naughty ancestor playing away/informal adoption, and DNA ripping apart a chunk of a tree that you have spent years and years...
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    Sorry for the late reply Peter, thanks for the...

    Sorry for the late reply Peter, thanks for the links. I shall certainly try out The Huguenot Library next time I am in London.

    The more records you check the more likely you are to find what you...
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    Witnesses to marriages is vital.

    Genealogy does get harder as we venture before census era etc, so wills, poor law records, tax/poll registers can help in addition to parish registers. But one of the most vital things I find helpful...
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    Small update. I researched the other witness....

    Small update. I researched the other witness. Hannah Hawkes. She was the daughter of Jonas Hawkes and Mary. I think Jonas was born in 1764 in Marsh Gibbon, Buckinghamshire. He had a sister Elizabeth...
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    Sorry forgot to mention, James Smith never left a...

    Sorry forgot to mention, James Smith never left a will when he died in 1849. Was going to add that to the first post but the edit feature only lasts a short while.

    Just found a Ann Carney baptism...
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    James Smith and the Carney family.

    My ancestor was James Smith born c1790. He married Sarah Inkpen at All Saints Church, High Street, Oxford in August 1819. The witnesses was Hannah Hawkes and Andrew Carney. James and Sarah had...
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    Another update. It looks like the case is solved....

    Another update. It looks like the case is solved. Forget Joseph and Elizabeth Harbord. Looks like her parents were Benjamin Harbord and Mary.

    Benjamin Harbord is listed in church rates for 1761...
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    Hi I have since looked and cannot find any wills...

    Hi I have since looked and cannot find any wills for Robert, Rebecca or Joseph and Eliz Harbord but a Joseph Harbord left an administration bond in 1785 and I found a Joseph Harbord buried in Norwich...
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    Small update. In 1765 according to Norwich...

    Small update.

    In 1765 according to Norwich window and land tax records, a Benjamin Harbord is listed at St Peter Parmentergate, Norwich, the same parish that Elizabeth Helsdon nee Harbord was...
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    UPDATE: Did some more digging. Out of the 2...

    UPDATE:

    Did some more digging. Out of the 2 likeliest Susan Riches to wed Henry Helsdon in 1725, (1691 and 1694) it could be they were first cousins. I think Edmund and Isaac Riches were the sons...
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    Elizabeth Harbord? Who were your parents?

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    In October 1752 in Norwich, Norfolk, Elizabeth Harbord married Dennis Helsdon at St Peter Parmentergate, Norwich. They had their first known child Dennis in 1756. Followed by Robert 1757,...
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    Unfortunately it can be hard at the best of times...

    Unfortunately it can be hard at the best of times tracing the father of an illegitimate child. Bastardy bonds stopped in 1834 with the amendment of the poor law act and I think Maintenance Orders...
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    Have you tried just anyone with the name Kathleen...

    Have you tried just anyone with the name Kathleen born in the Ross On Wye district in the June qtr or Sep qtr of 1916 without a surname but with Goode as a mothers maiden name in case she was...
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    Luckily the Susan Riches born in 1694 daughter of...

    Luckily the Susan Riches born in 1694 daughter of Isaac had her DOB listed. Born 30 April 1694. So she would have been 31 when she got married for the first time if she is the same lady who wed Henry...
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    When you say map do you mean maps of the areas...

    When you say map do you mean maps of the areas they live in?

    I have got a gedcom and a tree on Anc.
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    Henry and Susan had 3 children called Elizabeth,...

    Henry and Susan had 3 children called Elizabeth, only the last one survived.

    A Robert Helsdon and Elizabeth had a son in 1685 called Robert in Stratton Strawless, just north of Norwich. They had...
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    Yes he died as an infant in 1719, sorry forgot to...

    Yes he died as an infant in 1719, sorry forgot to mention that in my previous post. I have a feeling that Henry's father may have been Robert Helsdon through a lead I have found.

    Henry then had a...
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    Wow thanks. So we now know when Henry's first...

    Wow thanks. So we now know when Henry's first wife died. So he had been a widower for quite a while before he married Susan Riches. Almost 3 years.

    In regards to Susan having a child Robert in...
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    It does look promising that when Susan Riches wed...

    It does look promising that when Susan Riches wed Henry Helsdon in 1725 an Isaac Riches lived in the same area and he had a daughter Susan in 1694. But as said there is nothing concrete to say the...
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    Hi Eddie Something to throw into the pot....

    Hi Eddie

    Something to throw into the pot. Wymondham is just a few miles out of Norwich.

    Mrs Poppy it certainly is more difficult pre 1780-1800 when you go further back and you worry if you are...
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