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    Of course! The certicate asks for the witnesses...

    Of course! The certicate asks for the witnesses residence. Should have noticed before.

    Edit: Could it also be possible that the person in question (Jane) was also a patient, but had no fixed...
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    There's no record that I can think of where Jane...

    There's no record that I can think of where Jane Richardson was present, though I imagine Jane could have been anybody nearby in the hospital at the time.
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    I imagine it must be drink related. This...

    I imagine it must be drink related.

    This certificate brings up more questions than it answers.
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    Just got the Ira Lorden death certificate. It...

    Just got the Ira Lorden death certificate. It must be the same Ira. I'm a little lost on what happened to the kids now though.

    It seems he died of cirrhosis and something to do with pneumonia....
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    I have recieved one of the GRO record; for Sarah...

    I have recieved one of the GRO record; for Sarah Lawton.

    Born Stepney, 20th Feb 1849. Father Ira Lawton, Engineer. Mother Mary Ann Wolstenholme. The address was 1 Bridge street, Stepney.
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    Thanks!

    Thanks!
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    I just read through most of the Select Committee...

    I just read through most of the Select Committee on Machinery. So Ira was most likely hired in this group, and paid a higher wage than he would have got in Manchester. He also most likely worked at...
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    That's fantastic information! Thank you. Where...

    That's fantastic information! Thank you. Where does Arundel Street fit in to the backhistory?

    We can asssume that Ira was living in Machester prior to going to France, as that's where he married...
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    Do the Somme records have census entries or the...

    Do the Somme records have census entries or the likes? I think father Ira left before 1852 or so.

    My cousin would be able to read "coreso" straight away, as probablly my grandfather if he was...
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    Thank you! I was really hoping for a full...

    Thank you! I was really hoping for a full transcription of the document if possible, and you have gone above and beyond! I meant to reply earlier, but forgot!
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    Okay, so if that is William, then it was of his...

    Okay, so if that is William, then it was of his own doing!

    Here in Japan, debt it passed on!
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    When I say "he eventually settled in...

    When I say "he eventually settled in Southampton", I mean my William Lawton did, and Devon County Prison is quite close.

    I have been unable to find census records for William for 61 and 71. I...
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    Would it fall to the next eldest son and skip any...

    Would it fall to the next eldest son and skip any daughters?
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    Just want to thank everyone so far! I'm awaiting...

    Just want to thank everyone so far! I'm awaiting a couple of GRO records.

    There's not much else I've been able to find on findmypast/ancestry. I found a 1861 prison census record for a W.L....
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    Thank you! That helps a lot! Spinning foreman...

    Thank you! That helps a lot!

    Spinning foreman - it doesn't sound very much like an engineer at all! If he was a foreman, he must have spoken pretty good French though, I guess.
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    Actually, it just occurred to me that the French...

    Actually, it just occurred to me that the French Wikipedia article could have more information. Thiss is what I found (as translated from French):

    "In 1834, the government instructed Vallée,...
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    I did wonder! I suppose they would have probably...

    I did wonder! I suppose they would have probably started building the railway long before 1846.
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    Thank you! I tried transcribing and translating...

    Thank you! I tried transcribing and translating using google, but it didn't go so well!

    My current question at the moment, is why were they in Amiens!?

    I was reading up on the history in...
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    This document has quite a lot of information. It...

    This document has quite a lot of information. It puts Ira senior as aged 28, it also has the age of Mary, and possibly even Ira senior's father, but I can't make out a lot of it....
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    I decided to just get a month and see what it...

    I decided to just get a month and see what it says. Well, it's definitely him! 20th Nov 1839, born in Amiens Somme.

    It confirms the mother as being Mary Ann Woolstenholme!

    Unfortunately, I...
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    Thought I'd see if there was any way to find a...

    Thought I'd see if there was any way to find a birth record for young Ira. I searched on Filae, and couldn't find an Ira, but it did bring up a Yra. Unfortunately I don't have a subscription, so can...
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    The beer retailing links up with William (his...

    The beer retailing links up with William (his son) becoming a victualler I suppose. In the '41 census, Ira's occupation is listed as a "fitter*" though. Perhaps he was selling booze on the side?

    I...
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    Yeah, I actually bought it not soon after. I also...

    Yeah, I actually bought it not soon after. I also dislike paying for certificates, unless there's no other option. The hospital where Ira Lorden died is 5 minutes walk from the house he lived in with...
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    Interesting! On today's map, Monks' Heath seems...

    Interesting! On today's map, Monks' Heath seems to be a hamlet which is considered to be part of Alderley. I just found that a "Monks Heath Hall" went up for sale too; it was a brick barn conversion,...
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    I found an Ira Lorden, died at Guy's Hospital, in...

    I found an Ira Lorden, died at Guy's Hospital, in Southwark 1860. Date of birth is a little off, but I can't find any other records for an Ira Lorden, census, birth, or otherwise.

    LORDEN, IRA ...
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