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  1. It's all speculation. Back in those days vicars...

    It's all speculation. Back in those days vicars tended to write what they heard, or thought they heard. Spelling wasn't standardised.

    What I have just noticed though is the way John spelt his...
  2. Let's just say that Botfield is an unusual...

    Let's just say that Botfield is an unusual surname. so there's a good chance that it's your John and Alice.

    As for closeness of locations, go to google maps. Enter Spitalfields market, collapse...
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    See post #20, and #15. Elizabeth and John are...

    See post #20, and #15. Elizabeth and John are living in Talbot Road, Neasden in 1939.
  4. Excellent find, Arthur. No need to split a link...

    Excellent find, Arthur.
    No need to split a link to FamilySearch though as it's not a commercial site.
    (I had a slight problem looking at the page as all the grooms seemed to have the same surname...
  5. I know next-to-nothing about immigration but...

    I know next-to-nothing about immigration but hopefully someone who does will read your post and reply.
    These are the guides published by The National Archives regarding immigration. I'll leave you...
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    Reminder that the link to the GRO site for...

    Reminder that the link to the GRO site for ordering certificates is in post #2. :smile5:
    Bookmark it, as you may find you need it several times in the future!
  7. https://www.british-genealogy.com/forum/threads/95...

    https://www.british-genealogy.com/forum/threads/95233-Posting-Photos-on-Brit-Gen
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    Don't forget that the marriage certificate to...

    Don't forget that the marriage certificate to Joseph Kinsella said that she was Elizabeth Carroll, widow, not Elizabeth Condon, spinster, therefore the implication is that she married someone with...
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    That Sadie Kinsella one was irrelevant as it was...

    That Sadie Kinsella one was irrelevant as it was proved that Sadie was a figment of someone's imagination. The lady we're looking for was called Elizabeth, who at some time had the surname of Carroll...
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    Thanks for confirming my suspicion, and also for...

    Thanks for confirming my suspicion, and also for all the extra details you've been able to provide about the family. (I reckon MTS stands for Magic Twinkling Star. :biggrin:)

    Pam
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    Thanks for the update. :smile5: Where did...

    Thanks for the update. :smile5:

    Where did Elizabeth and John marry? e.g. Roman Catholic church, C of E church, register office?

    Pam
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    See new thread re John and Alice here...

    See new thread re John and Alice here
    https://www.british-genealogy.com/forum/threads/95521-John-Craven-C-1796-immigration-from-Germany?highlight=

    Pam
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    Forot to add that I think this is George's death...

    Forot to add that I think this is George's death registration. No middle name, aged 57, June quarter 1893, Mile End registration district.

    Pam
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    For more details about RG11/483 folio 70 page 50...

    For more details about RG11/483 folio 70 page 50 and similar references see
    https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/census-records/
    in particular section 11.
    ...
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    Think this is Ann's death registration - aged...

    Think this is Ann's death registration - aged 45, March quarter 1882, Mile End Old Town registration district, which is the district they were living in the previous year at the 1881 census.
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    You'd be hard pushed to find Alice in the 1871...

    You'd be hard pushed to find Alice in the 1871 census if she wasn't born until about 1874 :biggrin: but if you mean 1891, then I think she's the one aged 16, born Stepney, at RG12/296 folio 9 page...
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    Actually it's the use of middle names which often...

    Actually it's the use of middle names which often helps pinpoint a person/family, as in the instance of my great-grandfather and the use of Highland in the names of James/Patrick's children.

    As...
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    I'm saying that somewhere in the family tree the...

    I'm saying that somewhere in the family tree the name Highland, as well as the name Lawrence appears.
    In my tree for example, my great-grandfather was illegitimate, but he was baptised on the same...
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    Bearing in mind that the childrens' mother's...

    Bearing in mind that the childrens' mother's maiden name is Wallis, I think I've found the marriage of James and Mary Ann/Marianne. It's in Ancestry's London marriages dataset.

    2 February 1873,...
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    Hi Tim, I've changed the title of this thread...

    Hi Tim,

    I've changed the title of this thread to James Patrick LAWRENCE c1843 Salford to avoid any confusion with your previous thread which had exactly the same title you originally gave to this...
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    Richard is a widower in the 1861 census when he's...

    Richard is a widower in the 1861 census when he's living with his widowed daughter, Ann Cawley, in Gorton.

    The GRO site has the death registration of an Elizabeth Capper, aged 39, Manchester...
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    Hello Elisa, Welcome to British-Genealogy....

    Hello Elisa,

    Welcome to British-Genealogy. :smile5:

    I am so pleased that you made another post giving your grandfather's name and further details as it saves having to ask.

    Would-be helpers...
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    I can't help with any records but I have this in...

    I can't help with any records but I have this in my bookmarks.
    https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/publications/prisoner-of-war-camps/prisoner-of-war-camps/
    I did think at first that,...
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    I cheat by checking out the details on FreeBMD....

    I cheat by checking out the details on FreeBMD. :smile5:

    Pick a quarter and a year, then type in a common forename (e.g. William). If I know the district I want then I select that from the...
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    Thanks for that marriage, Alma.:smile5: I've...

    Thanks for that marriage, Alma.:smile5:

    I've just realised that I never looked further back in the trees on Ancestry. Might have saved myself a lot of time and trouble if I had done. |banghead| ...
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