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    This looks very good as the parents of John born...

    This looks very good as the parents of John born 1825.

    Some trees on ancestry have the above marriage for a John Spicer born and living in Essex. After looking at the 1851 census for this John and...
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    I can't find the record that said 'poultry...

    I can't find the record that said 'poultry dealer' for John Spicer father of John born 1825, so goodness knows where I saw/think I saw that!
    Christina
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    In the 1851 census Sarah, his mother is age 43...

    In the 1851 census Sarah, his mother is age 43 and John is 25 so Sarah would have been around 18 when he was born.
    In your first post on this thread you said that John was born c1821. How did you...
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    They are a completely different family. You...

    They are a completely different family.

    You also have the mother of John born 1821 as Ann. What is the source for this because in my post #26 I have John Spicer born c1821 and Sarah nee Heelas...
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    On your tree you have John Spicer born 1821 in...

    On your tree you have John Spicer born 1821 in the 1851 and 1861 censuses with wife Sarah and then Jane. They had a daughter Eliza c1848 and a son George c1846 born Baldock Hertfordshire which you...
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    Your great grandmother was a beautiful woman. If...

    Your great grandmother was a beautiful woman.
    If you share DNA with descendants of Quintin Spicer and Sarah Spicer b1851 who married Frederick Titzck then I think you share the same ancestor one...
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    Yes I have seen this photo of your Elvan Spicer...

    Yes I have seen this photo of your Elvan Spicer on a tree on ancestry and also photos of four of his children. Like you I am inclined to think John Spicer was his father but Sarah nee Heelas was not...
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    Fingers crossed that there is some useful...

    Fingers crossed that there is some useful information on the documents.
    Christina
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    I wonder if the Ranulf and Glarington are any...

    I wonder if the Ranulf and Glarington are any indication of his parents which I take it were not recorded on his marriage certificate?
    Christina
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    No worries I have done it. Christina

    No worries I have done it.
    Christina
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    Definitely looks like him, another good find....

    Definitely looks like him, another good find. :smile5: So if that is correct he can't be the father of Elvan born 1874 unless he sailed to the West Indies sometime 1871 - 1874
    Christina
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    There is a John Spicer in the 1841 census at...

    There is a John Spicer in the 1841 census at Norton Folgate Liberty, Borough of Tower Hamlets, He is an apprentice however his age is given as 15 BUT he could actually be anywhere between 15 and 19...
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    ancestry made a mess of the transcription for the...

    ancestry made a mess of the transcription for the 1851 census and has Sarah Spicer's husband as Thomas Hancock not John and looking at the original image the Hancocks and Sussanah Major aren't even...
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    Brilliant!! |bowdown| Christina

    Brilliant!! |bowdown|

    Christina
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    My find is nothing compared to yours Jomo. Now...

    My find is nothing compared to yours Jomo. Now what is needed is perfect eyesight and a few spare hours.

    Christina
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    Is there no evidence of a birth record for Elvan...

    Is there no evidence of a birth record for Elvan in Tobago. Also as I was scrabbling around looking for something/anything helpful it occurred to me that we have been looking at William and John....
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    A couple of sites that may be of use although I...

    A couple of sites that may be of use although I haven't found anything relevant yet but have only done a very quick search.
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    England, United Grand Lodge of England Freemason...

    England, United Grand Lodge of England Freemason Membership Registers, 1751-1921
    Quintin Herbert Spicer
    Initiation Age: 34
    Birth Year about 1866
    Initiation Date 6 July 1900
    Profession - Civil...
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    Here is George's baptism George Quitin Herbert...

    Here is George's baptism
    George Quitin Herbert Spicer
    Baptised 13 May 1866
    At St Anne, Limehouse, Tower Hamlets, England
    Father John Spicer, Master Mariner
    Mother Sarah Spicer
    Address...
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    William Spicer London, England, Church of...

    William Spicer
    London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1920
    Baptism 31 Oct 1852, birth date 10 October 1852
    At St Anne, Limehouse, Tower Hamlets
    Father John Spicer, Mariner...
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    I could have presumed a lot about the trip from...

    I could have presumed a lot about the trip from Trinidad which turned up on the Finfmypast transcriptions in Passenger Lists Trinidad and Tobago, West Indies but it does only give the initial E for...
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    We look forward to learning just what information...

    We look forward to learning just what information the certificates give us Wayne and hopefully it is going to help in the search.
    Christina
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    Was Elvan/Elvon born c1874 and died 1921? Where...

    Was Elvan/Elvon born c1874 and died 1921? Where did he die?
    He made a trip from Trinidad to the UK in 1913?

    Information from tree on ancestry which could help in tracing back
    Elvan Spicer...
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    Good to see you back again First of all the link...

    Good to see you back again
    First of all the link to the other Spicer threads just in case anyone wants to refresh their memory....
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    I am late in replying to your last post waynea...

    I am late in replying to your last post waynea but Jomo1's reply is an excellent explanation of what steps must be taken to allow all of us researching our family tree to move back through the...
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