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Do let us know all the details on the marriage certificate once it arrives. Hopefully, the certificate will lead you to Henry George's ancestry.

All the details you need to order the certificate...

That's brilliant Gillian, thank you. I hadn't got round to looking on FMP as I've not been very focused recently (son in law in Hospital with Covid, but discharged today, phew!)

The information...

You need to send for this marriage certificate

Thank you for taking the time to look, Grisel. It always helps to get a 2nd opinion.

Thank you Squaredancer and Grisel. So, do we think it is very likely them?

Would someone give their opinion, please?

Would someone look at this passenger list, please? I think it could be Lucy and three of her children but their first names have initials only and the handwriting isn't very legible.

Miss E D...

Oh, me of little faith. There is a possible marriage

Marriages Mar 1905
BARNES Lucy Romford 4a 510
GEORGE Henry Romford 4a 510

So, why was Queenie Mary baptised with surname Barnes.

Interesting, but the information on the certificate is only as accurate as what the informant knew or had been told. I know I sound like doubting Thomas but without us finding a marriage between...

And Queenie Mary was conceived after JWB had died but he's named as her father on her baptism record.

Unless some concrete evidence is found I'm unconvinced that Queenie Mary's father was a Henry...

Me too, Christina.

That's great, please let us know what information it has.

Harle769, have you considered sending for the birth certificate, details posted by Peter at #12?

How very confusing!

Please can you say where you got the surname George for Mary?

Where did you find the baptism for Mary George?

Courtesy of 'Ancestry: Essex, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1918'
Name: Mary Queene Barnes
Age: 4, born 6 Jun 1902...

OH dear, is this a fly in the ointment?

1851, Rugeley, Staffs. HO107; Piece: 2015; Folio: 345; Page: 31;
Stephen Richard 28, Rugeley
Elizabeth Richard 33, Ridware Staffs
Alfred Richard 6, son,...

I've just re-read this and absorbed what you say. If I have this right the John Adey whose DNA matched yours suggests you share a ggg grandfather, John is a descendant of Simon Adey and Ann Lees. ...

The baptism (transcript) is also on FreeReg. The only additional information is Sarah's address which is The Workhouse, and the Church is St Michaels Lichfield. It says Sarah is a spinster.

Oh, I like that, Peter. If only we could find him in 1851. I did suspect Sarah was the most likely of the sisters' to be JRL's mother. Well done.

It must be the same John Lees you mentioned in...

Do you descend from JRL? Who does John Adey you met online descend from? I find it puzzling if you both descend from Simon Adey and JRL is your ancestor. Ann Lees was married to Simon Adey before...

That's all very confusing, isn't it? I have no time now to look at the records but will take a look later,

Thank you, Peter, that could be her.

It seems highly probable JRL belongs to the Lees family he's with in 1861 and the grandson of John and Sarah, therefore it follows he's the illegitimate son of one of John and Sarah's daughters as I...

I've done some searching today but not got anywhere. I'll keep trying.