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�� thanks, you’ve been very helpful.

I’ve ordered the proper birth certificate and received the electronic copy. Again the mother is listed as Elizabeth Sumner. So it must be the Elizabeth born 1835. The rest of those relatives seem to...

I think we have a winner.

If I’ve got the wrong birth certificate, Elizabeth may not be his mother’s name at all.
Remember, the point I am stuck at is before the 1871 census.
I can connect all the names and birthdates...

This lead is promising. I know my grandparents (John and Margaret Sumner) lived in Upholland at one point.
I will buy that certificate and see if it produces fruit. Thank you.

I don’t know when he died. He, Jane, Minnie and Annie all came to Canada in 1925-ish, stayed for a few years, had some fallout and went back to England. My grandparents John and Margaret Sumner were...

My grandfather, John Sumner (born 1894) definitely had a sister named Minnie.
I’m confused why you think I have wrong birth certificate for Frederick? Because Minnie put his birthdate as Dec 2,...

Thank you, this record seems to rule out Elizabeth Sumner from the Asylum as my great great grandmother.

Yes, that is my great grandfather’s marriage. He listed his father as John Sumner, but I’ve run that lead down every rabbit hole I’ve come across (before I sent for his birth certificate) and it...

Yes, that is my great grandfather’s marriage.

I’m sorry you misunderstood my original post, I am here to find out if Frederick Sumner was born to the Elizabeth Sumner in the asylum.

I did give Fredericks exact DOB in previous post (JUNE 23,...

No. I didn’t say Frederick was born in the Asylum. That was my question. I’m trying to find out what happened to Frederick’s mother Elizabeth.

I’ve never been there, so I do not know the lay of...

Signature, description and residence of informant:
E. Sumner
Mother
53 Shaw St
Great Bolton

Of course none of this is the original birth certificate. It’s certified copy dated 23/12/2016 when...

Frederic (no k) Sumner
Registration district: Bolton
Birth in sub district of: Bolton East in county of Lancaster
Signature of registrar: John S Scowcroft (I think)

I agree that that age seems off.
Things I’m sure of, the Frederick living with his uncle in the 1881 census is my great grandfather. I ordered his birth certificate and his mother was Elizabeth...

Thanks for your quick response.
My great great grandmothers name was Elizabeth Sumner. The 1861 census references R.G. 9/3115 76 18
It lists Elizabeth as 8 years. Her father William is listed as...

Looking for my great great grandmother born about 1853 Bolton UK. I think she may have given birth to my great grandfather in Prestwich Mental Asylum. She was very young and unwed when she gave birth...