Photo dating Crewe
Hi, I was wondering if anybody might have any ideas on a rough date for this photograph?
I know the couple are in Salvation Army uniforms, but looking for a general idea of the date to make an ID.
I would be most grateful for any help.
According to FMP, Mill Street is in Monks Coppenhall parish, so I've (allegedly) checked all the likely Richards living in Monks Coppenhall in the 1891, 1991, and 1911 census. By 'likely', I mean male, and at least eighteen years old. Found zilch.
I can only find one directory post-1911 directory (Kellys 1914) at
No Richards listed in the commercial section. I did try to look for either 64 Mill Street or something along the lines of 'photographer' but starting going cross-eyed. If you want to look, the commercial list begins on page 294 of the directory but page 307 of the images which are listed on the right-hand side of the page.
The Salvation Army has a heritage centre and may be able to help identify the uniform.The mans style of hat may narrow down the era.
Residents of 64 Mill Street Monks Coppenhall
1911 Sarah Jones b 1852 Crewe hotel proprietor
1901 John Edward Topliss b 1858 Louth house Agent
1891 James R Freeman b 1860 Bedford Officer of Inland Revenue
1881 James Cook 1859 Scotland ?& Wool Draper RG11 3542
1871 John Edward Holliday 1845 Blackburn Travelling Draper RG10 3710
1861 Mill Lane RG 9 2616
Looks as if the house may have been a shop....and the photographer was resident between the census
Northwich Guardian - Saturday 16 August 1890
Advert for Crewe Photographic Company of 2 Mill Street Crewe
Company first registered and applying for investors
Manchester Evening News - Saturday 29 May 1886
The company was wound up in March 1903...maybe this is linked or a red herring
The clothing is typical for the 1880s, with the narrow cut of the man's and the woman's jacket, the sloped shoulder line, the man's short hair, sidewhiskers and droopy moustache. I think I can see false cuffs on both party's sleeves. Because genieaus has found that the company started in 1886, and changes in sleeves for women began in 1890, I would date the photo at between 1886 and 1890. The painted cloth backdrop is quite rudimentary for this period (you can see the bottom of the backdrop, and the painting is not very good) I think it is likely just starting out as a business, so the date would be closer to 1886 than 1890.