Where does the Dooley come from

[Jools22]

Hi. Jools again. This time on my dad's side. My grandad's name was John Dooley Reeves. Born 3/6/1908. Died 10/9/2007. We have always wondered where the Dooley comes from as only 2 of the siblings had this in their name. John's sister Edith was Edith Dooley Reeves. They were from Liverpool. My mum told me yrs ago that there was some skeletons there but my auntie Jean shot me down when I asked. John Dooley Reeves married Violet Southern (nee Shutt. John Dooley a mother's name was Elizabeth Trippier father unknown. Hope you can help solve this mystery. Thankyou again

[Lesley Robertson]

I would go back a generation, or maybe even 2. The name could come from the uncles/aunts or grandparent level. Possibiities could include the married-in side of each couple. Cynically put, children were frequently called after close (blood or friendly) relatives, distant relatives who might leave the namesake something, others who might be flattered (who also might appear as godparents/witnesses at the baptism).

For example, one of my great uncles worked as a railway porter. There were a lot of boys in his family and by the time they got to him, the main "duty" names had been used. It took me a while to work out that he was named for his father's boss - the railway station master (who was a witness at the baptism).

Some families took the "duty order" so seriously that if both grandfathers had the same forename, both older boys would be given that forename, with the younger one being called by a middle name or a nickname - James and Jamie, or Big Willie and Little Willie all appear in my One Place Study. Did John have a lot of siblings?

Dooley is frequently irish. Any links?

[Jools22]

I think John dooley had 6 siblings but not sure of their names apart from Edith who married James Duffy.

[Lesley Robertson]

Try the 1911 census. That should give some of them. The older generation is more likely to provide helpful information. Grandmother's surnames, for a start.

[Pamelawagster]

There’s this burial. Perhaps a relative? Father possibly.


Name: John James Dooley Reeves
Age: 68
Burial
Birth abt 1878
Death abt 1946
Burial Date: 16 Mar 1946
Liverpool, Lancashire, England

[almach]

The 1911 census has JDR father as John James Reeves, carter for general carrier, born Birkenhead Cheshire age 33.
Eizabeth is 32 married 9 yrs 6 children born alive, 4 still living, Elizabeth born L'pool.
Also M-i-L Margaret Trippier 71 yrs, widow, born Liverpool.
Children all born L'pool, Margaret 6, Elizabeth 4, John 2.
James 1 and half yrs born Bootle.

REEVES, JOHN DOOLEY, MMN TRIPPIER
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 394

Marriage Sept 29th 1901 at Toxteth St Matthews
John James Reeves 23, carter, living 8, Spring ST, father George Reeves a bricklayer.
Elizabeth Trippier 22, living ????(can't decipher first few letters) last letters Dale St, father Thomas Trippier a carter.
Witnesses Robert Williams and Florence Mary Brabbins.

According to a burial record John James also had the given name Dooley
Allerton Cemetery L'pool, 16th Mar, 1946. John James Dooley Reeves age 68
Address 54 Rosebank Rd.

[Pamelawagster]

John James (Dooley) Reeves born abt 1878 marries Elizabeth Trippier in 1901,image of cert on Ancestry,his father is George Reeves a bricklayer.

George Reeves,bricklayer,widower,marries Elizabeth Dooley,widow,in 1887 in Liverpool.

Elizabeth Dooley’s father,John Blackett.

Pam.

[almach]

1939 register gives John James Reeves birth date 21 Apr 1877, and Elizabeth 10 May 1878
Thomas L Reeves, 16 Jun 1912; Elizabeth Ellis widow 25 Oct 1907 (Elizabeth 1991 census?), Edith Ellis 4, May 1935. Elizabeth Ellis has the name annoted of Cowan suggesting she later married to a Mr Cowan, and Edith has Adams suggesting a marriage later to a Mr Adams.

I think this is John James Dooley Reeves birth registration, I've yet to explore why he was later known as Reeves.
DOOLEY, JOHN JAMES, MMN BLACKETT
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 520, June qrt is correct for an April 21st birth as people were given 6 weeks to register a birth.

[almach]

I've yet to explore why he was later known as Reeves.
DOOLEY, JOHN JAMES MMN BLACKETT

Pamela's post above explains where the surname Reeves came from.

[almach]

Elizabeth Blackett married James Dooley Oct - Dec qrt 1867 at Birkenhead registration district. I'll see if the cert is online.

[almach]

Parish Church, Birkenhead, Dec 29th 1867
James Dooley, 23, iron driller, 79, St Ann St, father George Dooley a potter
Elizabeth Blackett, 21, servant, 79, St Ann St, father John Blackett a mariner
Witnesses Albert P Williams and Helen Blackett

[almach]

1881, 13 Vaughan St Toxteth Park, RG11; Piece: 3643; Folio: 93; Page: 12
James Dooley 36, machine driller, Llanelly, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Elizabeth Dooley 34, Sunderland, Durham
Sarah Dooley 9, Crewe, Cheshire,
Helen Dooley 5, Birkenhead, Cheshire
John James Dooley 4, Birkenhead, Cheshire
Elizabeth E. Dooley 1, Liverpool, Lancashire

A likely death for James Dooley, Apr-Jun 1886, Liverpool age 42, vol 8b page 59.

[Pamelawagster]

Birth reg.

DOOLEY, JOHN JAMES MMN- BLACKETT
GRO Ref:1877 J Quarter in BIRKENHEAD Volume 08A Page 520

[Pamelawagster]

Sorry ,ignore this post!

[almach]

1861, 12, Charles St Birkenhead RG 9; Piece: 2641; Folio: 12; Page: 18;
Joseph Dooley 39, cotton ???? presser, Woolstanton Staffordshire
Sarah Dooley 38, Woolstanton Staffordshire
James Dooley 17, Wales
Arthur Dooley 12, Wales
Elizth Dooley 10, Wales
Harriet Dooley 8, Woolstanton Staffordshire
Joseph Dooley 6, Birkenhead
Thomas Dooley 5, Birkenhead.

[almach]

Sarah's maiden name was Cartlidge or corruption of.

DOOLEY, JOSEPH CARTLIDGE
GRO Reference: 1854 S Quarter in WIRRAL Volume 08A Page 399

DOOLEY, ARTHUR CARTRIDGE
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 26 Page 653

DOOLEY, HARRIETT CARTLEDGE
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in WOLSTANTON Volume 06B Page 66

[Jools22]

It could be. But as far as of now it's father unknown. Mother Lucy Trippier.

[Jools22]

This is brilliant stuff. I'm going to print it off and spend a day or two with my friend and out our heads🤪 together. Thankyou so ok my much

[almach]

It could be. But as far as of now it's father unknown. Mother Lucy Trippier.

Sorry Jools, I don't understand, where did Lucy Trippier come from, and do you have a reference to her?

[Jools22]

I can't remember but I wrote it do but I'd written it down. My nanny vis mum was a Harriet Shutt apparently. It's getting confusing.

[almach]

I can't remember but I wrote it do but I'd written it down. My nanny vis mum was a Harriet Shutt apparently. It's getting confusing.

Marriages Dec 1902
SHUTT Harriet Toxteth Park 8b 397
Southern Thomas Toxteth Park 8b 397

The 1911 census 67, Pecksniff St, Toxteth Park RG14; Piece 22229; RD 454
Thomas Southern 28, electric train driver, Garston
Harriet Southern 29, married 8 yrs, 6 children born alive, 5 still living, L'pool
Thomas Southern 6, Garston
Edith Phyllis Southern 5, Garston
Albert Edward Southern 3, L'pool
Violet Southern 2, L'pool
Florence Harriet Southern 7/12, L'pool
Ada Shutt 23, L'pool

Marriages Sep 1930, Reeves John J Southern/ Violet Reeves, Liverpool 8b 299

1939 register, 83, Arbury Ave, Coventry.
John Reeves born 3/6/1908; Violet Reeves 5/3/09.
*see post #6 for John in 1911 and his birth reg.





It could be. But as far as of now it's father unknown. Mother Lucy Trippier.

Whose father are you referring to?

[almach]

Marriages Sep 1930, Reeves John J Southern/ Violet Reeves, Liverpool 8b 299


Correction

Marriages Sep 1930, Reeves John J /Southern Violet, Liverpool 8b 299