Griffiths of Henllan

[Powelly]

Hi, my mum and I are currently working through some family tree info and don't really have a great deal of history for my fathers side. His parents (my grandparents) moved from the UK to Australia in the 1960's and I don't believe they kept in contact with their relevant families.

I know my Nain (Elizabeth Eleanor Griffiths, born 29/06/1921) grew up in Henllan on a farm we believe was called Bryn Gwenyn. I know she had a brother (Thomas Owen Griffiths, who I believe is buried near the church in Henllan.

My Nain married my Taid (William Archibald Powell) at the church in Henllan on 27/12/1952.

We also know my Nains parents (my great grandparents) names were:
Edith Eleanor Griffiths (passed 20/11/1968)
Thomas Griffiths (Tom the tractor) (passed 29/03/1968)

This is quite a broad request for related information. Marriage details, burial details, stories, photos, basically any info as so far, my searches in databases fails to identify any of the above :( I have personally visited Henllan and would very much like to get back there!

Any suggestions?

[helachau]

Croeso cynnes/warm welcome to Brit-gen (again)
Wish I'd read this post before chasing William's 1952 marriage! At least I was on the right track..

[helachau]

Henllan falls within the registration District of St. Asaph

Marriage Registration
Thomas Griffiths and Edith E Jones, Sep Qtr 1921, St. Asaph, vol 11b page 589

Birth Registrations
Lizzie Ellen Griffiths, Sep Qtr 1921, St Asaph, vol 11b page 523 - mother's maiden name Jones (North Wales BMDs confirm registration sub district as Denbigh). Eleanor and Ellen often interchangeable. Birth Qtr "fits" Elizabeth's DoB 29 Jun 1921.(source FMP travel document - is yours a different source for DoB?)

Thomas Owen Griffiths, Sep Qtr 1922, St. Asaph, vol 11b page 523 - mother's maiden name Jones (North Wales BMDs confirm registration sub district as Denbigh).
There's a 2nd Thomas Owen Griffiths birth registration, Sep Qtr 1922, St. Asaph mother's maiden name Davies - but chasing Jones as mother)

Very speculative - do you know if Elizabeth Eleanor was older than Thomas Owen?

[helachau]

There's a death registration for a Thomas Griffiths, age 89, St. Asaph. Cannot spot a Dec Qtr 1968, St Asaph registration for Edith - there is

Edith Griffiths, age 80, Dec Qtr 1966, St Asaph
Edith Griffiths, age 72, Mar Qtr 1969, St Asaph

Can you confirm death details/age at death?

[Pamelawagster]

1939 address for Edith Eleanor 16/1/1900 & Thomas Griffiths 13/11/1897.Gardener.

8 Meiford ,Denbigh.

7 people in the household only other record open is Enid Cornett 5/11/1911. Married

Possible death reg.

EDITH ELEANOR GRIFFITHS 1900
Death quarter 4 1977
Glyndwr
County Denbighshire
Vol24 pg0440

[helachau]

1939 address for Edith Eleanor 16/1/1900 & Thomas Griffiths 13/11/1897.Gardener.

8 Meiford ,Denbigh.

7 people in the household only other record open is Enid Cornett 5/11/1911. Married

Possible death reg.

EDITH ELEANOR GRIFFITHS 1900
Death quarter 4 1977
Glyndwr
County Denbighshire
Vol24 pg0440

Excellent.
The address matches the address recorded against William A Powell, sailing for Melbourne, on the poster's other thread (recorded as "Meiford" in the ships manifest - should read "Meifod"). Now have birth info. to work with (though may not fit deaths posted at #1?)

[helachau]

1939 address for Edith Eleanor 16/1/1900 & Thomas Griffiths 13/11/1897.Gardener.


Note the DoB on '39 register

National School Admission Register

School - Henllan Board School
No. on Register - 401
Date of Admission - 18/01/1904
Name - Edith Ellen Jones
Parent/Guardian - Edith Ann Jones, address - 4 Cross Foxes Yard
Date of Birth - 16/01/1900
Last School - Denbigh Catholic
Date of Leaving - Left district (Denbigh) 14/3/1907

There are other school records for Edith that link tantalisingly to 1901 and 1911 Census entries for an Edith Ellen Jones of the right age. More work needed.

[helachau]

I hope your Edith Eleanor turns out to be Edith Ellen after reading this
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3772570/3772573/23/
Check out col 3 - Infant School.
A model child.

[helachau]

I appreciate I've pinned my colours to an Edith ELLEN Jones as wife of Thomas Griffiths (in the absence of a birth cert for Elizabeth Eleanor) but following the DoB match of 16/01/1900 for your Edith Eleanor (Surname unknown) and Edith Ellen Jones -

Lenten Pool National School, Denbigh

3 records for an Edith E Jones, DoB 16/01/1900. The parent/guardian is either Edwin (no surname recorded) or Edwin Jones, address 78 Henllan Street.

1901 Census
41 Henllan Street, Denbigh
Edwin Foulkes, Head, Marr, age 34, General Labourer, born Llandyrnog
Elizabeth Ann Jones, visitor, marr, age 32, born Denbigh
Edith Ellen Jones, Dau, age 1, born Denbigh
John Edward Foulkes, nephew, age 10, born Denbigh

Three of the above 4 are together on the 1911 Census (unable to post details - policy) which makes very interesting reading.

Edwin (a fairly unusual forename) provides a link. However, at post #7 Edith Ann Jones is parent/guardian not Elizabeth Ann Jones - a clerical error possibly.

The plot thickens.

[helachau]

I've been checking out "Bryn Gwenyn". It's a genuine name but I cannot find a farm of that name in that locale.
The ship's manifest shows "8 Meiford Ave", the 1939 Register "8 Meifod". This is a side by side map of Meifod as was and as is -
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=17&lat=53.20315&lon=-3.45856&layers=6&right=BingHyb

Note "Bryn y Garn"

This 1967 map has "Bryn y Garn Farm" on "Meifod"
http://old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/302669/368452/12100954

What's the source of the farm name "Bryn Gwenyn" - document? family lore?

NOTE - the URL is delivering the Search screen, so -

Put henllan in "Town" - hit "Search"
Select "Henllan - Denbighshire"
Tab down old maps in left hand column and select 1967.

pob lwc

[helachau]

1939 address for Edith Eleanor 16/1/1900 & Thomas Griffiths 13/11/1897.Gardener.

Greneral Register Office birth registration that "fits" Thomas' DoB -
Thomas Griffiths, Dec Qtr 1897, St Asaph, vol 11b page 297 - mother's maiden name Roberts

1901 Census (ref RG 13 5240 43 2)
Address - Foel Bach, Llannefydd
Owen Griffiths, Head, Marr, age 40, Farmer and General Labourer
Elinor Griffiths, Wife, Marr, age 37
David Griffiths, Son, age 15
Owen Griffiths, Son, age 10
Thomas Griffiths, Son, age 3
Maggie Griffiths, Dau, age 1
Elinor Roberts, Mother-in-Law, Widow, age 78, born Llansannan, Denbighshire
Mother-in-Law apart, all born Llannefydd

Thomas and Elizabeth named their son "Thomas Owen Griffith" - link to Owen Snr above?

The family is largely together at Foel Bach in 1911 (cannot post details - policy) but, interestingly, Elinor Griffiths now recorded as Ellen Griffiths.

However, a fly in the ointment but possibly a clerical error?
Schools Admission Registers
Thomas Griffiths, DoB - 16 Nov 1898, admitted 8 May 1905, parent - Owen, address - Voel Vach

[griff2]

Hi, my mum and I are currently working through some family tree info and don't really have a great deal of history for my fathers side. His parents (my grandparents) moved from the UK to Australia in the 1960's and I don't believe they kept in contact with their relevant families.

I know my Nain (Elizabeth Eleanor Griffiths, born 29/06/1921) grew up in Henllan on a farm we believe was called Bryn Gwenyn. I know she had a brother (Thomas Owen Griffiths, who I believe is buried near the church in Henllan.

My Nain married my Taid (William Archibald Powell) at the church in Henllan on 27/12/1952.

We also know my Nains parents (my great grandparents) names were:
Edith Eleanor Griffiths (passed 20/11/1968)
Thomas Griffiths (Tom the tractor) (passed 29/03/1968)

This is quite a broad request for related information. Marriage details, burial details, stories, photos, basically any info as so far, my searches in databases fails to identify any of the above :( I have personally visited Henllan and would very much like to get back there!

Any suggestions?

sadly, i've only just come across this, hopefully you'll still be checking occasionally.
the 2 Thomas Owen Griffiths's, 1922 one was my uncle, born 14th june 1922. married 3 times and died 13th oct 1983, West Cheshire Hospital,Upton by Chester.
he and your Thomas Owen Griffiths may well have been cousins.
mine was the son of William Griffiths and Mary Elizabeth Davies, grandson of Owen Griffiths and Elinor Roberts, Foel Bach, Llannefydd.
your Thomas Owen, son of Thomas Griffiths might well be their grandson too. Thomas (the tractor) might be their first son, the older ones on census's were from Owen's previous marriage.
Elinor had a daughter from a previous marriage too but she was given away to Elinor's sister.
My grandparents, William and Mary lived in Henllan too for the early part of their marriage, I remember the name "park View" being mentioned which I think was the name of the house, Henllan St was mentioned too.
My uncle was always addressed as "Thomas Owen" as there were so many Thomas's in the family, the name Owen was also well used, every generation back to the 1760's had at least one.
As for Foel Bach, that was the names of their little home on Moel Fodiar, sadly just a pile of rubble now. Elinor was born there, as were all of Owen and Elinor's children.
anyway, hopefully you'll see this and it might be of interest to you. if your Thomas was the son of Owen and Elinor, ive done a little research in the past and have one or two photos of family and Foel bach i'd be happy to share
Regards Griff.