Little Harby

[AW014R2799]

has anyone heard of little harby , a vllage in staffordshire . my gt.gt.grandfather was born there in 1819 ? he was called Isaacc Rose.

[Procat]

No mention in Cassells 1899 gazetteer or in the Topographical Dictionary of England 1831.

There are a couple of towns called Harby but not in Staffordshire.

[get2BJ]

Hello AWO.....

Was he a Silver Flute Maker, and married to a Jane?

If so, there is an Isaac Rose born Staffordshire/Harborne aged either 31 or 37 living at 21 Court 1 House, Tennant Street, St Thomas, Birmingham on the 1851 census. HO107/2052, Folio 8, Page 47, Schedule 202.

I checked on Parloc and there doesn't appear to be a Little Harby in Staffs, but there is a Harborne which led me to find the census entry for the above.

If you think it is your man, let me know here, and if you don't have access to the 1851 yourself, I will post the rest of the details for you (which include 6 children).

Best wishes

Brenda

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Hi Brenda ,
Yes his wifes name was Jane ( i beleive Mellor ) . He came to Sheffield in 1850's from Birmingham and he was a silver-smith , i was told he was the man who did the first electro nickel silver plating in Sheffield , for Walker and Halls . I think he was poached from Birmingham
Isacc Rose 1814 ? Little Harby Stafford Eng.
Jane Rose 1819 Birmingham
Fredrick 1839 .. .. .. ..
Ann M. 1842 .. .. .. ..
Arthur 1844 .. .. .. ..
Charles 1847 .. .. .. ..
Walter 1848 .. .. .. .. ( my gt. grandfather )
Ellen 1850 .. .. .. .. ?
Frank 1854 Sheffield ?
William 1856 .. .. .. ..
Edwin 1863 .. .. .. ..
I beleive Isacc died 1876 age 63 9c-242 Sheffield .
Look forward to hearing from you ,
regards,
Val .
ps, can you find any reference of walter's wife ,Sarah Quirk born Sheffield
1855 , keep coming up with 1850-3 , married Walter 1875 Sheffeild.

[get2BJ]

1851. All at 21 Court 1 House, Tennant Street, St Thomas, Birmingham

Isac Rose, head, married, 37/31?, Silver Flute/Plate? Ma(r)ker/Worker?, Staffordshire, Harborne
Jane Rose, wife, married, 32, Laundress, Warwickshire, Birmingham
Frederick Rose, son, 12, Electro Plate Marker, Warwicks, Birmingham
Ann M, daugh, 9, Warwicks, Birmingham
Aurther, son, 7, Scholar, Warwicks, Birmingham
Charles, son, 4, Warwicks, Birmingham
Walter, son, 3, Warwicks, Birmingham
Ellen, daug, 1, Warwicks, Birmingham
HO107/2052, Folio 8, Page 47, Schedule 202.

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1861. All at Daisy Bank, St Gorges, Sheffield

Isac Rose, head, married, 47, Silver Smith, Warwickshire, Birmingham
Jane Rose, wife, married, 42, Warwickshire, Birmingham
Ann M, daugh, 19, Silver Burnisher, Warwicks, Birmingham
Aurther, son, 17, Butchers Knife Hafter , Warwicks, Birmingham
Charles, son, 15, Table Knife Cutler, Warwicks, Birmingham
Walter, son, 13, Metal Smith, Warwicks, Birmingham
Eliza, daug, 9, Scholar, School, Warwicks, Birmingham
Frank, son, 7, Scholar, School, Sheffield, Yorks
William, son, 5, Scholar, School, Sheffield, Yorks
George, son, 1, Sheffield, Yorks
RG9/3483, Folio 102, Page 19, Schedule 104.

1861. All at 17 Fawcett Street, St Georges, Sheffield

Frederick Rose, head, married, 22, Silver Smith, Birmingham Warwicks
Mary Ann Rose, wife, married, 25, Sheffield, Yorkshire
Ann S Rose, daugh, 7mths, Sheffield, Yorkshire
RG9/3483, Folio 86, Schedule 266

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1871. All at Drury Bank, St Georges, Sheffield

Isaac Rose, head, married, 57, Electro Plate Worker, Birmingham
Jane Rose, wife, married, 52, Birmingham
Walter, son, unmarried, 23, Silver Buffer, Birmingham
Eliza, daug, unmarried, 19, Warehouse Woman, Sheffield
Frank, son, unmarried, 17, White Metalsmith, Sheffield
William H, son, 15, Table Knife Hafter, Sheffield
Edward, son, 8,Scholar, Sheffield
RG10/4681, Folio 115, Schedule 6

1871. All at 17 Fawcett Street, Sheffield

Frederick Rose, head, married, 32,Silversmith, Birmingham
Mary Ann Rose, wife, married, 34, Sheffield
Frederick Rose, son, 8, Scholar, Sheffield
A Rose, daugh, 10, Scholar, Sheffield
Ada, daug, 6, Scholar, Sheffield
Mary Ann, daugh, 4, Sheffiled
Isaac, son, 2, Sheffiled
George, son, 5mths, Sheffield
RG10/4681, Folio 102, Schedule 327

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1871. Both at 12 Freedom (Villas)?, Nether Hallam, Sheffield

Arthur Rose, head, married, 27, Stamper, Birmingham
Mary A Rose, wife, married, 29, Wickersley, Yorkshire
RG10/4664, Folio 48, Schedule 152

We still need to locate Charles Rose on 1871. This will be easier than his sister Ann if she has now married.

I have to go out now. I will continue later, we can obviously go up to 1901. If anyone else has some time today perhaps they can continue for Val.

Best wishes

Brenda

[get2BJ]

1871. All at 71 Brightmore Street, St Georges, Sheffield

Charles T/J? Rose, head, married, 24, Table Knife Hafter, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Selina Rose, wife, married, 25, Silver Burnisher, Sheffield, Yorkshire
Charles T/J? Rose, son, 3mths, Sheffield, Yorkshire
RG10/4683, Folio 59, Page 23, Schedule 113

Couldn't find Ann M Rose - can only presume that she must have changed to a married surname by 1871.

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1881. All at 42 Leicester St, Sheffield
Jane Rose, head, ?, 61, Birmingham
Frank, son, unmarried, 27, Metalsmith, Sheffield
William H, son, unmarried 25, Table Knife Hafter, Sheffield
Edwin, son, unmarried, 18, Table Knife Hafter, Sheffield
Samuel Kennedy,lodger, unmarried, 33, Carver and Gilder, Leicester
Samuel Thackeray, lodger, unmarried, 28, Table Knife Hafter, Sheffield
RG11/4648, Folio 140, Page 21
Walter and Eliza/Ellen have now also flown the nest.

1881. Both at 27 Cross Addey Street, Nether Hallam, Yorkshire
Arthur Rose, head, married, 38, Electro Plate Stamper, Birmingham
Mary A Rose, wife, married, 39, Wickersley, Yorkshire
RG11/4622, Folio 26, Page 44

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1881. All at 5 Anns Road, Heeley, Yorkshire
Walter Rose, head, married, 33, Silver Buffer, Birmingham
Sarah Rose, wife, 26, Sheffield
Mary Thos Rose, daug, 4, Sheffield
John Arthur Rose, son, 2, Sheffield
RG11/4639, Folio 153, Page 40
Again can't see anything for Ellen/Eliza on the 1881. Probably married.

I did look on the 1861 and 1871 for Sarah Quirk - there is more than one in Sheffield (one born Sheffield 1852, one born Lancs 1855, one born Leeds, 1860) and so I wasn't really in a position to guess which was the correct one.

I'm out of time again, so I must leave it there for tonight.

If you need 1891 and 1901 details, please post here again and let me know.
If you have any other info on the other girls who'd left home such as husband's/children's names that might help to find them. Same as for Sarah Quirk - her siblings names would be useful.

Best wishes

Brenda

[AW014R2799]

Hi Brenda ,
Found Charles 1881 , 2 children Charles 1871 , William 1877 .
At 36 Brightmore st. Will plod on .
Thanks a lot for helping me , feel a bit bogged down with them all ,
also found a marriage , Charles Rose to Selina Elizabeth Seam , at the Apostle London ? with a surname like Rose , also Isaacc , do you think we could be Jewish ? not bothered as long as i can get them all in place .
Thanks once again ,
Val .
ps ,Charles's wife was a Selina

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Hi Brenda ,
Have found two of Sarah's siblings ,
1. Mary Ann m. Charles Logan , 1874 ? 9c 588 Sheffield .
son John Logan b. 1874 ? Sheffield , lived with grandma 1891
2. Jane b. 1862 m. Joshua Shaw
3. James b.1859 sheffield
I think from records sent there must have only been four .
I would love 1901 if you have them . I meant 3 not 2 ,
Best wishes ,
Val

[jackjones]

Hi Brenda ,
Yes his wifes name was Jane ( i beleive Mellor ) . He came to Sheffield in 1850's from Birmingham and he was a silver-smith , i was told he was the man who did the first electro nickel silver plating in Sheffield , for Walker and Halls . I think he was poached from Birmingham
Isacc Rose 1814 ? Little Harby Stafford Eng.
Jane Rose 1819 Birmingham
Fredrick 1839 .. .. .. ..
Ann M. 1842 .. .. .. ..
Arthur 1844 .. .. .. ..
Charles 1847 .. .. .. ..
Walter 1848 .. .. .. .. ( my gt. grandfather )
Ellen 1850 .. .. .. .. ?
Frank 1854 Sheffield ?
William 1856 .. .. .. ..
Edwin 1863 .. .. .. ..
I beleive Isacc died 1876 age 63 9c-242 Sheffield .
Look forward to hearing from you ,
regards,
Val .
ps, can you find any reference of walter's wife ,Sarah Quirk born Sheffield
1855 , keep coming up with 1850-3 , married Walter 1875 Sheffeild.

Isaac Rose married my ancestor Jane Oldham at Aston Juxta 06 Nov 1836. I discovered this fact through an announcement in the Birmingham Journal, Sat 12 Nov 1836: She was a straw bonnet maker living in Tennant Street, Birmingham; to Isaac Rose of Bishopsgate Street, Birmingham.

At the baptism of their son Frederick 01 Oct 1840 the family is living in Tennant Street, Isaac described as silver plater.

The 1841 Census finds them still at Tennant Street, near Mary's family nearby, her father being John Seeley Oldham, gardener. Isaac described as 'Plater S'.

I am interested to learn that Isaac was poached from Birmingham to Sheffield and am keen to discover more about it and the early technique of electro-plating. I hope this new information might draw responses from the original contributors to this thread.