Peagum family

[Noldorin]

I am interested in finding more about my Peagum ancestors from Limerick (probably the city, though it could be the county). Unfortunately all I have right know is the name of an individual, Emily Peagum, born 10 Feb 1866 to 10 Feb 1867, the name of her father, John, and the fact that she later moved to Liverpool, England, where she married and died.

Does anyone know about this branch of the Peagum family? I believe it's a rather rare name, even in Limerick, so I was hoping someone might have information on one of these persons, or advice on how to find out more.

Thanks in advance.

[christanel]

I can see a marriage for Emily Peagum March 1/4 1891 groom Joseph Cassas. Just found them in 1901 census Joseph Casas, Emily age 33. RG13 piece 3415 folio 18 page28
The preferred spellings seems to be Casas and son Carlos's birth reg on the GRO index has the mmn as Peagum so no change there.
I am just getting a handle on this family
Christina

[Noldorin]

Yep, that's right. Sorry, I should have posted this information before, probably. Emily moved to Liverpool at some point (I don't know when exactly), where she married Joseph Casas/Cassas (also the son of a mariner, and I believe a mariner himself), and had a number of children. I suspect she died there too, though I couldn't ever find a record – don't worry about that though, as I'm much more interested in her birth and origins.

[christanel]

Baptism
Wilhelmina Cassas
Age 0
Born 6 Jan 1889
Baptised 1 Feb 1889
At St Peter's Priory, Lancashire, England
Father - Josephi Carsas
Mother - Emily Peagum

Whilhelmina born before Emily and Jose's marriage but at least we know she was in Liverpool prior to the 1891 census.
Neither of the sponsors on this record have the Peagum name.
At least knowing Emily was RC could help with the search in Ireland.
Christina

[Noldorin]

There are records of a George and Thomas Peagum living in Limerick in the 1820s. http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=Peagum&firstname=&county=&parish=&townland=&search=Search
They would be of the right generation to be Emily's potential grandfather. I checked the Cahernarry parish baptismal records to no avail, however.

[Noldorin]

I am quite confident Emily was Roman Catholic, though not 100% sure.

Wilhelmina was my ancestor in fact. She was the second of two children born before her parents' marriage. (The rest were all born after.) Carlos was the first, born June 1887, so we know Emily was there by this time.

[christanel]

Emily was still alive in 1919 and living at 27 Blundell St Liverpool. This information is on Wilhelmina and her 3 year old son Jose's shipping record on their return to the US in 1919. Brother Vincent also emigrated to the US.
Wilhelmina died in 1982 Holy Sepulchre Cemetery Coram, Suffolk County, New York. She married Vincente J Requeiro in Liverpool 1913.
Joseph was buried 22 March 1921 Ford Cemetery, Lancashire

Emily's birth date is a bit flexible. The 1911 census has her age 41 so born c1870. In 1901 she is 33 so born c1868. If her marriage certificate gives a different age it may be because she was trying to present as older to be closer to Jose's age or because she would have needed parental permission if not of legal marrying age. So widening her birth year in searches may help.
I can't get any results on https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ for the surname Peagum.
Christina

[Noldorin]

Yes, good point about the age. Her marriage certificate implies she was born between 10 Feb 1866 and the same date 1867, but this may need to be extended, especially to later years, for the reasons you say. The lack of results on Irish Genealogy could suggest a number of things I guess... what do you think is most likely? She was not RC? A transcription error? Another reason?

[christanel]

There are 4 baptisms and a marriage - RC - on ancestry for the surname Peagum in Limerick but they are all far too early for Emily.
I widened the search by using wildcards P*g*m but still no luck
Others with more experience researching in Ireland could find something.
Christina

[Noldorin]

Thank you for your efforts, Christina. It's certainly not an easy one to track down... I suspect a transcription error somewhere, if indeed her birth record has ever been transcribed. But then I'm not very knowledgeable about Irish records at all...

[Noldorin]

So, I've been looking at the birth records for Emily Peagum's children, to see if they might reveal an insight. Not a lot, but at least I have some names of godparents now:

Joseph Peagum, born 1887
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2180/engl56170_282-nic-4-3_m_00044?pid=300169606
godmother: Margarita McCabe(?)

Wilhelmina Casas, born 1889
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2180/engl56170_282-pet-1-7_m_00882?pid=300707839
godfather: William Park/Pach
godmother: Margarita McClean

George Casas, born 1901
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2180/engl56170_282-svp-1-4_m_00526?pid=301519518
godmother: Anna Charlotta Soderberg

Any advice on what to do with this information?

[christanel]

Well you can search for them in the censuses and BMD's to see if they are any relation but it just may be they were just friends/neighbours and of the same religion.
I wonder if this the birth reg for the Soderberg witness
Births Mar 1886
Hannah Charlotte Soderberg Liverpool 8b/101 mmn Kennis

1901
9 White Street Liverpool
Nils Soderberg 43 Carpenter sweden
Ellen Soderberg 39
Anne C Soderberg 15 cigar dresser
Catherine Soderberg 12
Andrew Soderberg 10
John Soderberg 7
wife and children all born Liverpool
Christina

[Noldorin]

Yes, possibly. I was thinking the McClean/McCabe women could be relations though potentially, given the Irish surnames.

[Noldorin]

I did a bit more searching today, and turned up a couple of tentative candidates...

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=8767&h=15844927&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=bLh3372&_phstart=successSource

George Peagam b. 1839
Pros: right age to be Emily's father, clearly a mariner, same name as Emily's son
Cons: wrong name according to marriage record (should be John), born in Devon (no evidence suggesting *he* wasn't, although we have records suggesting Emily was born in Limerick, Ireland)

Then a few records from https://www.myheritage.com/names/john_pegum. Sadly I can't view the full information, as I don't have a membership. If anyone could help me out here, I would be much obliged.



John Thomas Pegum, 1867 - 1934
John Thomas Pegum was born on month day 1867, at birth place, to George Pegum and Bridget Pegum (born O'Sullivan).
George was born on October 1 1839, in Limerick.
Bridget was born on ABT1851 1833, in Co. Limerick.
John had 3 sisters: Josephine (?) Pegum and 2 other siblings.


^ I am wondering if one of his siblings could be Emily. Also, just perhaps his father George Peagum could be the Devon one mentioned above?



John William Pegum, 1879 - 1960
John William Pegum was born on month day 1879, to Charles Pegum and Elizabeth Pegum (born Grim).
Elizabeth was born on April 6 1856.
John had 4 siblings: Edith Pegum and 3 other siblings.


^ Could Emily be one of his siblings perhaps?



John Jr. Pegum
John Jr. Pegum was born to John William Pegum and Martha Mattie Pegum (born Brinkman).
John was born on January 11 1879.
Martha was born on April 18 1889.
John had 4 siblings: Evangeline Edith Olson (born Pegum) and 3 other siblings.


^ Could Emily be one of his siblings perhaps?

So, if anyone has a MyHeritage membership, and could perhaps investigate these leads, I would be much obliged!

[Noldorin]

Some thoughts further to the first record of my previous post... This may be clutching at straws, but Emily also had a son named George. And her grandfather and an uncle were both named William, so perhaps a connection to Emily's daughter's name 'Wilhelmina'. William is a common name, George slightly less (as far as I know), and Wilhelmina much less so. I'm also wondering if Emily could have named George as her father but the scribe misheard? I mean, they at least have the same initial sound... yep, I'm trying hard to make excuses here.

[christanel]

I keep coming back to this but the only result I get is a headache and a befuddled brain. :biggrin:

I'll keep trying.
Christina

[Noldorin]

Hah, you're not the only one, Christina! I should be getting some more information tomorrow about this George Peagum (from Devon, who served in the Royal Navy), so will let you know the results of that.

Really appreciate you sticking at this and trying to help. I won't blame you if you give up though.

[JNicLiam]

I notice that the name Peagum does not appear in Griffiths Valuation which acts as the mid 19th century census substitute and covers all Ireland. It was a survey of the occupiers of land and buildings throughout the country 1847-1864 with a view to levying rates, so was very thorough. County Limerick was surveyed in 1850.
By the Irish 1901 census the only Peagum in the country is a Mary Peagum, unmarried, aged 75 a servant in Kishyquirk (Ballyvarra, Limerick) see www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Limerick/Ballyvarra/Kishyquirk/1493849/
Limerick has a very good local studies library that has a large online collection. You may want to check it out www.limerickcity.ie/Library/LocalStudies/

[JNicLiam]

I have had a further look for Peagum bmd in the Limerick area and cannot see any births with this name between 1864 and 1900 - ( full Irish civil registration started in 1864). However I note that there are a number of Pegum births in Cahara in the Glin area of Limerick including a death of an Ellen Pegum a widow of Stephen Pegum a merchant in 1891 registered by her son James Pegum. See https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06059/4727295.pdf
As the images of the Irish bmd registers are free online at that site covering Births: 1864 to 1916, Marriages: 1871 to 1941, Deaths: 1878 to 1966 you may want to look at it. When you search the results are summarised by registration district and you can then filter by district. The registration districts that cover areas in County Limerick are Croom, Glin, Kanturk, Kilmallock, Limerick, Mitchelstown, Newcastle, Rathkeale, Roscrea & Tipperary.

[Noldorin]

I have had a further look for Peagum bmd in the Limerick area and cannot see any births with this name between 1864 and 1900 - ( full Irish civil registration started in 1864). However I note that there are a number of Pegum births in Cahara in the Glin area of Limerick including a death of an Ellen Pegum a widow of Stephen Pegum a merchant in 1891 registered by her son James Pegum. See https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06059/4727295.pdf
As the images of the Irish bmd registers are free online at that site covering Births: 1864 to 1916, Marriages: 1871 to 1941, Deaths: 1878 to 1966 you may want to look at it. When you search the results are summarised by registration district and you can then filter by district. The registration districts that cover areas in County Limerick are Croom, Glin, Kanturk, Kilmallock, Limerick, Mitchelstown, Newcastle, Rathkeale, Roscrea & Tipperary.

Thanks a lot. That looks like a very useful website, so I'll give it a closer look.

[Noldorin]

I just found a Patrick Joseph Peacum born in Limerick in 1872, to a John Peacum (the purported name of Emily's father). Here's the record on Ancestry.com:

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61039&h=154528349&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=bLh3606&_phstart=successSource

I wonder if Emily could be his older sister. The register seems rather tatty, so I'm wondering if her birth record was lost even!