Anyone know a Jamesina Scott from Edinburgh ?

[barbeehd]

Unusual name. Married to xxx Scott. From one of the best families in Edinburgh (?) Educated. Accomplished.
Might be an ONeil, McNeil, etc. maiden name.:confused5:

[christanel]

Having communicated with this new member I can say that Jamesina Scott nee ?? lived sometime in the 1700's. Hopefully the poster will have more details for us.
Christina

[Lesley Robertson]

Barbeehd, welcome to the British Genealogy Forum. I'm afraid that for the 18th century, the forename is not that unusual, and the Scotts were a large Borders family.
As Chris said, hopefully you will provide more information to try and make her stand out from the crowd - you may not realise how much you know. You may find the message HERE (https://www.british-genealogy.com/threads/80524-Helping-us-to-help-you) about helping us to help you useful.

As well as telling us what you know about Jamesina, it would be useful to know where you have already looked so that members don't waste their time repeating your work.

Since Birth, Marriage and Death certificates didn't start in Scotland until 1855, I am going to move this query to the Edinburgh forum where it might be seen by more people who know the area. Answers to queries often turn up weeks or even months after they are posted!

[geneius]

Dumped the heading in google and this came up!

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=751690.0

[barbeehd]

Thanks for reinstating my Jamesina. The rootschat item is mine. Posted it a long time ago.. Only info I have is from statements made by my ggggrandfather in a "vanity" publication. Listed in his obit is his mother "James" and father "John". James was from one of the best families in Edinburgh. She was educated, born and raised in Scotland. Last name ONeil or McNeil. I have nothing else. TIA

[christanel]

Hi
To help us work backwards from the information you have - what is the birth year of David Scott who arrived in US 1839/41. Where in the US did he settle? Did he arrive with a wife/children or did he marry in the US
In your other post you say he had 13 siblings one of whom was Alexander. Do you know the names of any of the others? Also how do you know he had 13 siblings if you don't know his parents names. How did you link them up? Sorry, this sounds like an inquisition but the more we know the better to search. :smile5:
Christina

[Lesley Robertson]

Thanks to Mr Google, I see that the poster has much of the info we're asking for and has posted it HERE (http://www.city-data.com/forum/genealogy/2606899-no-records-great-great-grandfather-frustrated-2.html).

It is frustrating when someone will not help us to help them...

[barbeehd]

I don't know what you mean. I have listed everything I know about James (Jamesina).

The information I have about David Scott is from the Kankakee, IL Biographical Book with his biography in it. How much of it is true (or made up), I am not sure. He says he was the third child in a family of 14. He was born Dec. 27 1827 (or 1828). Four boys and ten girls. His brother, Alexander, was in the army and inherited the Scott estate. His father lived near Liverpool and all the generations before him also. David went to school in Philadelphia for a year and a half after coming to America. He then went to Vermont and worked in the Marble/slate industry. He married Clarissa Terrill in 1849 and they moved to Kankakee with their 3 children. He farmed in Kankakee.

His death cert. does not state his parent's names. His obit. states them as James and John Scott. This was from the Kankakee paper. He died in 1904.
I hope someone can lead me to more records that may have parents names and his sibs recorded. Thank you.

[barbeehd]

That is my post at rootschat.

[geneius]

Good we now have some dates / years to work with

[Lesley Robertson]

This is what I meant when I said that you know more than you think you do.

For example, knowing that David was born 1827/28 and was the 3rd child gives us a rough estimate for the age of James. I assume (without information to the contrary) that her first child was born around 1823, so she won't have married any later than 1822. Marriage at 16 was unusual but possible in Scotland, so the latest she's likely to have been born is around 1806. You say that she had 11 children after David. Had she married late, say 40 or after, she would not have had biological time to have 11 more. It's more than likely that she married before she was 30 if she had that many children, given health and medicine of the time, so we can say that she was probably (not definitely) born between 1790-1806 (give or take a year or two). It's a rough calculation, but eliminates one couple that looked possible but who married in 1755.

Again, with her 3rd child born in 1828, if she had a child every year, the last one (assuming no twins) would have been born in 1839, so there's a chance that she was alive for the 1841 census, which gives us somewhere to look..

We do like solving these puzzles, but every tiny bit of hard data helps.

[christanel]

Ignoring the parents names as James and John in the obit there is a family in Liverpool in 1841 all members born Scotland. William and Robert are both aged 15 and could be twins but also they could be anywhere from 15 to 19 because the enumerators were asked to mark down to the nearest 5 the age of anyone from the age of 15 and up in the 1841 census. Some did and some didn't but this particular one seems to have done so looking at all the other entries.
1841 HO107 Piece 563 Book 1 Folio 31 Page 11
Bostock Street Liverpool County Lancashire
Alexander Scott 55
Agnes Scott 55
Ann Scott 25
John Scott 20 Cabinet maker
William Scott 15 Cabinet maker apprentice
Robert Scott 15 Cabinet maker apprentice
David Scott 14 Cabinet maker apprentice
Margret Scott 10

The points of connection of this family to your David is David age 14, the father's name Alexander and Liverpool. I know this family doesn't follow the Kankakee book but sometimes we have to eliminate families and at the moment I am trying to follow this one to see where they are in 1851
Christina

[Lesley Robertson]

I've been chasing an alternative family. The 1841 and 51 censuses have a widow called Jane Scott, born Scotland abt 1799 (according to the 1851), living in Lytham (41) and Liverpool (51). In 41 she had 6 children living with her including William who's 8 months old. in 51, another daughter (badly transcribed name Jrust Whalley (age 31)) and her child are also with them. All children born in Lancashire. On the 1841, thanks to the handwriting, Jane looks very like James.

Free BMD has a death for a John Scott in Liverpool in the June Quarter of 1840...

Proving any link's the problem!

[geneius]

I have been looking at the family at #12 Their younger child was baptised

Baptism: 28 Dec 1832 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Margaret Janet Scott - [Child] of Alexander Scott & Agnes
Abode: Collingwood St
Occupation: Cabinet Maker
Baptised by: C. Wray
Register: Baptisms 1832 - 1833, Page 143, Entry 1144
Source: LDS Film 1656421

[geneius]

I have been looking at the family at #12 Their younger child was baptised

Baptism: 28 Dec 1832 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Margaret Janet Scott - [Child] of Alexander Scott & Agnes
Abode: Collingwood St
Occupation: Cabinet Maker
Baptised by: C. Wray
Register: Baptisms 1832 - 1833, Page 143, Entry 1144
Source: LDS Film 1656421

The first sighting I have of David is 1850 US census with his wife Clarissa, he states he is born England with an English father & Scottish mother, this is consistent on all census!

There is no date for entry into the US or naturalisation papers so this can only be assumed unless records can be found

[christanel]

I've been chasing an alternative family. The 1841 and 51 censuses have a widow called Jane Scott, born Scotland abt 1799 (according to the 1851), living in Lytham (41) and Liverpool (51). In 41 she had 6 children living with her including William who's 8 months old. in 51, another daughter (badly transcribed name Jrust Whalley (age 31)) and her child are also with them. All children born in Lancashire. On the 1841, thanks to the handwriting, Jane looks very like James.

Free BMD has a death for a John Scott in Liverpool in the June Quarter of 1840...



There is also a son Andrew age 10 in 1841 with Jane. This is his baptism on Lancashire OPC
Baptised 25 August 1833 St Cuthbert, Lytham, Lancashire
Andrew Scott - Son of Andrew Scott & Jane
Born 3 Aug 1833
Abode Lytham
Occupation Mariner
Baptised by Willm. Birkett
Source: LDS Film 1470929

[Lesley Robertson]

Rats!

[christanel]

Another of the children's baptism on Lancs OPC. George is on the 1841 age 15
Baptism 4 May 1828 St Cuthbert, Lytham, Lancashire, England
George Scott - Son of Andrew Scott & Jane
Born 12 Apr 1828
Abode: Lytham
Occupation = Mariner
Baptised by Robt. Lister
Source: LDS Film 1470929

Marriage - 9 November 1818 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire
Andrew Scott - Mariner, the Parish of Liverpool
Jane Miller - Spinster, the Parish of Liverpool
Witness: John Hunter; Robt. Orr
Married by Licence by: John Pulford B. D; Curate
Source: LDS Film 93917

I can't see a baptism for a David to these parents but I also can't see one for Isabella age 15 in 1841.

Christina

[christanel]

Rats!

My sentiments exactly. :smile5:

Christina

[christanel]

There is this one in 1841, father John and a son Alexander.
1841 HO107 Piece 566 Book 21 Folio 5 Page 3
Mersey Street Liverpool Lancashire
John Scott 40 Carpenter
Alexander Scott 25 Carpenter
Isabella Scott 12
John Scott 9
All born in county.

Can forget this one too if mother's name James is correct for David
Baptism 13 July 1834 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Isabella Scott - [Child] of John Scott & Isabella
Abode - Bittern St.
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: Richd. Appleton Asst. Curate
LDS Film 2045907