oconnor=ayres

[akon66]

Hi hope this will ring some bells with some one....my great grandad. I 1st find him on a marrige cert in 1897 in chacombe just outside banbury....marrying grt gran mary Elizabeth bennett.....name william oconnor.....fathers name William oconnor
iv searched high and low for him using that info.....and on future census....born 1873/4 Manchester or liverpool.....never founf the right one.....turns out his real name was william/billy ayres and came to chacombe on a travelling boxing booth.....any one have any ideas how or where to start looking.....limited info i know but its the final piece of info im stuck on

[Pamelawagster]

Possible.

1881 census

Born Broughton,Manchester. Although Broughton is in Salford just outside Manchester City centre.


Class: RG11; Piece: 1499; Folio: 91; Page: 30;


1891 transcribed as Aures

Class: RG12; Piece: 1169; Folio: 110; Page: 21


Possible birth reg

William Henry Ayers MMN - Dore
1874
Jan-Feb-Mar
Salford Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 51

[akon66]

Yes iv seen this one sure his father frm Charlbury. .....had sister clare/clara.....but im sure he died in Oxford

[Pamelawagster]

The marraige of William Richard Ayers to Elizabeth DORE matches the maiden name on the birth reg of William Henry.

[akon66]

Im sure that they we're living in st giles Oxford and william Henry ayres died st barnabus parish....cant remember the yr....

[akon66]

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[geneius]

Richard William Hayers
Baptism Date 27 Mar 1842
Baptism Place Charlbury, Oxfordshire, England
Father Joseph Hayers
Mother Hannah Hayers

1851
HO107; Piece: 1732; Folio: 100; Page: 21
Joseph Ayres 43
Hannah Ayres 52
Anne Ayres 16
Maria Ayres 14
Charles Ayres 11
Ritchard Ayres 9

1861
RG 9; Piece: 733; Folio: 11; Page: 15
Parsonage Cumnor Berks
Head Hous Charles F A Spencer 36 Vicar
William R Ayers 19 Footman

Marriage cert is on line

1871
RG10; Piece: 1455; Folio: 25; Page: 8
Richard Ayres 29
Elizabeth Ayrss 28
Clara Ayres 3

1911 census he is William O'Connor, if you look at the other entries, they all look like C Connor. As to why Liverpool and a change of name, who knows.

[Pamelawagster]

That's the same census - 1881. States birthplace Broughton Manchester.Broughton is in Salford where the birth was registered.

There is a tree on Ancestry with all this info in which relates to the same family.


You could order the birth cert from the GRO this would name the father also.


Possible Birth reg - same mothers maiden name.

CLara Ayers - MMN- DORE 1867 HEADINGTON UNION Volume 03A Page 566

[akon66]

The tree on ancestry is mine. ....i did at one point think that William h ayres was william oconnor....but iv seen death for William h ayres in oxford so they cant be one and same im sure cant get on ancestry site today to screen shot the record....

[akon66]

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[akon66]

Think this must b the William Henry born in hayton Boughton. ....though not sure how i can tell

[geneius]

William Henry Ayres b 1874 died 1897 according to the Burial register was of Nelson St

1891 has the following at Nelson Street
RG12; Piece: 1169; Folio: 110; Page: 21;
William R Aures 49 Leather Dresser
Elizabeth Aures 46
William H Aures 17 Grocers Porter born Manchester

How did you connect William O'Connor to WH Ayres of Manchester?

[almach]

What occupation is given for William's father on the marriage certificate, and who were the witnesses?

[akon66]

Maybe a novices approach. ...all i did was use info i had....skant info tbh
1874....William ayers. ..father william....born Manchester

[akon66]

Fathers occupation .......labourer....will chevk witness hames

[akon66]

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[geneius]

Forget the novice approach, I'm not doing to well at this one :no:

You have a marriage certificate dated 1897 showing William O'Connor aged 23 father William.

1901 Census
William O'Connor aged 27 born Manchester

1911 Census William O'Connor ( there is noC it is an O) aged 37 Liverpool

Common denominators

William
Age is consistent
County of birth Lancashire

Check the signatures out on the Marriage and 1911 census ( oops do not know how to show them on the site)

Moving to the 1939 Register I can only see one William O'Connor whose dob is 4 August 1873. This gives a registration of birth as q3 1873 yet I cannot find a birth entry, nor can I see one for 1874

Ancestry has William O'Connor linked to this birth entry

William Henry Ayers
Registration Year 1874
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district Salford Lancashire
Volume 8d Page 51

The 1881 census states birth place as Haytin Broughton Manchester this is actually Higher Broughton Salford. Salford being next door to Manchester city centre.

On earlier posts I have given you the Ayres family census info. I did note that the 'parents' do not appear to have left their 'village' so was this child a foundling? There is also a big age gap between Clare & William. Clare is recorded a born 19 Sept 1867 but not baptised until 20 March 1879 parents Rich'd Wm & Elizabeth Ayres I cannot see a baptism for William

Turning now to Amy Hancock a witness to the marriage she was b 1971 as Ann Wilkins lives in Chacombe

Job Gardner b 1874 same village, no immediate relationship to William O'Connor

Only thought I have at present is to purchase the birth certificate of William Henry Ayres of Salford

[akon66]

But would you say the William ayres born in Manchester is the one who died in oxford
and whats a foundling.....and.....lol....thanks for your help....real conundrum this

[Pamelawagster]

I really think your next step would be to purchase the birth cert. Details of birth reg are in posts #2 & #17.


Buy from the GRO @ £9.25 per cert ( unless they've increased the price recently) as other sites charge more.

[geneius]

But would you say the William ayres born in Manchester is the one who died in oxford
and whats a foundling.....and.....lol....thanks for your help....real conundrum this

Foundling = abandoned child. There is another Ayres family living in Nelson Street who also have a William b 1874ishh so unable to tell. The birth cert will give us something more positive like parents names/ occupation / place of birth etc. We will be either to discount him or include him.When you get the cert pick up this thread and those of us who have helped will receive notification of the post and be able to pick it up. Sorry if a jumble getting used to tablet.....jean PS don't lie being beaten jx

[akon66]

Ok i will order this end of the week. .....thank you people.

[Pamelawagster]

Jean,
If he was a foundling,would William Richard and Elizabeth (Dore) been able to register his birth in Manchester after they had taken him in? Not sure how registration worked back then.

Wonder why the change to O'Connor too? Certainly a puzzle!

Pam.

[akon66]

Tbh iv no real clues.....my cousin says her father who bearing in mind is 90 said that real name was billy ayres,but used name billy oconnor when boxing..?
But there was some trouble....the nature of wich isnt remembered. ...and he dropped the name ayres used oconnor and stayed in area when boxing booth moved on....

[geneius]

Tbh iv no real clues.....my cousin says her father who bearing in mind is 90 said that real name was billy ayres,but used name billy oconnor when boxing..?
But there was some trouble....the nature of wich isnt remembered. ...and he dropped the name ayres used oconnor and stayed in area when boxing booth moved on....


Maybe a search of the newspaper archives is also needed!

When I mentioned tablet I meant the electronic devise not the medication!!!! However with this thread and another I feel I have lost the plot....all good fun jx


Jean,
If he was a foundling,would William Richard and Elizabeth (Dore) been able to register his birth in Manchester after they had taken him in? Not sure how registration worked back then.


That's the bit I do not understand and why were the couple in Manchester/Salford...the address of the birth should give us some clues. I am sure I saw Richard as a Leather Dresser which would fit with the glove industry in and around the Manchester city

All we need to do now is wait for snail mail and the birth cert

Jean

[akon66]

Sorry to pop up again. ...im ordering birth cert in next week or so waiting for payday....maybe iam having a silly minute here but what exactly will this birth cert tell me,,again sorry if im missing the obvious....long hours at wrk frazzle me

[akon66]

Just read post no 20......doh.