Looking for John Staniforth and family.

[Sandyhall]

William Staniforth occupation Carpenter married Rosa Courtney Thomas 1858.
I have the marriage cert and his father is John Staniforth occupation Grocer.
The marriage takes place in St. Mary the Virgin, Cardiff.

I have all information regards William and Rosa.
Census 1841,Wellington street, St Luke Chelsea, Middlesex, England, Richard Down and family.
Census 1851 he was again with Richard Down as Apprentice carpenter in Rodney Street, Cardiff
Census 1861 through to 1901 with Rosa and then with Daughter in 1901
Year of birth is 1835 through out born Chelsea, Middlesex, England or Middlesex, England

John Staniforth - I can not find anywhere so help needed here please

[Lesley Robertson]

Have you tried the earlier trade directories? The census data has indicated William's birthplace, and grocers weren't as mobile as many other occupations... the surnames is not as common as some!

[warncoort]

Familysearch.org has 1834 birth and baptism in Marylebone of John STANFORD,s/o William and Jane.Does he appear in 1841 census?

[warncoort]

Ignore my previous post,wrong given name.

[geneius]

Here's one to tease you

:confused5:1841
HO107; Piece: 702; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Poplar; County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 12; Folio: 6; Page: 6; Line: 18;
High Street Poplar
John Staniforth 32 Victualler b in county NO
Wife Staniforth 30 b in county NO
Child Staniforth 4 b in county yes male
Staniforth 1 b in county yes female:confused5:

You could look in trade directory for the Inn's name :excl:

On freebmd most, if not all the Staniforth's births are in the N East

[geneius]

Landed on this by chance
1851
HO107; Piece: 1545; Folio: 125; Page: 3
Tower Hamlety
John Stainforth 49 Licensed victualler
Mary Ann Stainforth 39
William Stainforth 14
Edmund Stainforth 13
Martha Stainforth 11
Caroline Phillipps 27
Albert Clayton 28
Charlotte Revnad 24

[Sandyhall]

Thank you Geneius I had seen these but think it is another family.

Census 1851
HO107, Piece2455/Folio 471, Page 120
Rodney Street, Cardiff, St Mary, Glamorganshire, Wales

Richard Down. Head. M 59 Bishops Tanton, Devonshire. Occupation: Carpenter
Margaret Down Wife F 56 Coychurch, Glamorganshire
Mary Down Daughter F 22 Pimlico, Middlesex
William Staniforth Lodger M 16 Chelsea, Middlesex, Occupation:Apprentice To Carpenter
Maryam Woods Lodger F 39 Birmingham, Warwickshire

All other Census married to Rosa and with children, and marriage cert William is a Carpenter born Chelsea or Middlesex he lived the rest of his life in Cardiff, Wales.

1841 Census
HO107, Piece688. Folio 11,Page Number 17
Wellington Street, St Luke Chelsea, Middlesex, England

William Staniforth age 7 is with same Richard Down and family.

So some time between 1841 and 1851 they moved from London to Wales where Richard Downs wife came from.

Where do I find Trade Directories not had to look in these before.

[geneius]

Where do I find Trade Directories not had to look in these before.

Bit like Yellow pages etc......

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Cardiff/slaters.1880

http://specialcollections.le.ac.uk/cdm/landingpage/collection/p16445coll4


Have you seen this?

John William Ernest Staniforth
Registration Year 1861
Registration Quarter Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration district Kensington
Volume 1a Page 96

Why was William & Family back in Kensington on the 1861 census a few weeks before the above death of JWES who was aged 9 is he a relation?

[Sandyhall]

No idea, maybe for Work as it looks like they went back and forth

Marriage in Cardiff 4 Aug 1858
They both signed names and wittiness where John Morris signed his name and Susan Lloyd made her mark.

Children Born to William and Rosa
Maria 1860 Cardiff
John 1861 Cardiff possible Death 1861 London
William 1863 Cardiff
Ernest 1865 Caardiff
Sidney Wallace 1867 Hammersmith, London
Lillian/Lilas 1870 Fulham, London
Arthur 1873 Cardiff
Gertrude 1876 Cardiff

1891 William is living with Daughter Gertrude and her husband John Francis Elementary Schoolmaster

I just can not get past his father John Staniforth Grocer from the Birth Cert.
May be it's a fake name and Occupation if he didn't know his parents names.

[Sandyhall]

Just found this so it looks like brother and sister died at the same time

Maria Margaret Staniforth
Birth Apr 1859 Cardiff, Glamorgan

Maria Margaret Staniforth
Death Jul 1861 Kensington, London

[warncoort]

There appears to be two William Staniforth's!!
One born 1834 Chelsea with Richard Down in 1841 (transcribed as Hansford).Something is written for occupation but has been crossed out.
One born 1837 Mile End with John,victualler, in 1841.
From freebmd Un named female STAINFORTH JFM 1840 Stepney,vol 2 page 465,mmn Cook.This matches with 1841 census found by Geneius,by 1851 she is Martha.

[Dundee10]

Something is written for occupation but has been crossed out.

It said 'nurse child' which may mean that he had been with the family since infancy but the enumerator has determined that it was no longer appropriate to identify him as such when he was 7 years old. It is also possible that the term just meant he was an unrelated child they were caring for, I am not sure when 'foster child' became common on census returns.

[Dundee10]

In actual fact it is just crossed out because it isn't a trade or profession. Words like 'visitor' are also crossed out.



I just can not get past his father John Staniforth Grocer from the Birth Cert.
May be it's a fake name and Occupation if he didn't know his parents names.

If he had been with this family for awhile then yes, it is quite possible that he didn't know who his father was.

[warncoort]

Bear in mind that victualler and grocer have almost identical meanings.