Prytherch Family

[Valerie1593]

Hi,

I'm trying to find some information about my grandfather, Paul Prytherch. I do know that he and his parents and siblings lived at 137 Benjamin Road, Wrexham, about the time of WWI. I did find his father, Peter Prytherch (born about 1855) in the 1881 Wales Census - at that time Peter was a lodger at 6 Cunliffe Street in Wrexham Regis. No idea about his wife, Olive Knight (?) though I'm afraid.

My grandfather (Paul) served with the 17th Lancers during the Boer War and, along with a couple of his brothers, went on to serve during WWI.

As I mentioned before my Great-Grandfather's name was Peter Prytherch and I believe that he was married to an Olive Knight. They had quite a large family: Sam (who I believe eventually moved to Langley Prairies, British Columbia), Peter, Paul, Joseph, William, Benjamin, Thomas, Dorothy, Grace and Olive (I'm sorry that don't actually know their birth order). I'm fairly sure that some of the family eventually moved to Liverpool, England - maybe Dorothy and/or Olive?

On another website I was fairly recently directed to a Prytherch family who at that time lived at 111 Benjamin Road. I wrote to them but haven't heard anything back.

I realise that's not an awful lot of information but if anyone can help me out here I would really appreciate it.

Thanks,

Valerie

[Trish]

Valerie,

How's this?

1901 census
Reference RG13/5224 Folio 79 Page 1
Address: 10 Poplar Road, Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Peter PRYTHERCH Head Widr 46 Cab Proprietor [Stable] Employer working at Home born Denbigh Denbigh
Dorothy PRYTHERCH Daur 26 born Wrexham Lancashire
Grace PRYTHERCH Daur 22 born Wigan Lancashire
Joseph PRYTHERCH Son 11 born Wrexham Denbighshire
William PRYTHERCH Son 9 born ditto
John PRYTHERCH Son 7 born ditto
Olive PRYTHERCH Daur 4 born ditto

1891 to follow...

HTH,
Trish

[Trish]

1891 census
Reference RG12/4618 Folio 90 Page 4
Address: ?Hane Field 9, Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
Peter PRYTHERD [sic] Head 36 Cab Proprietor [Employer] born Denbigh Denbigh
Olive PRYTHERD Wife 34 born Stafford Burselm
Peter PRYTHERD Son 14 Errand Boy [Port] born Stafford Tunstall
Ada Mary PRYTHERD Daur 10 Scholar born Denbigh Denbigh
Paul PRYTHERD Son 8 born Denbigh Wrexham
Samuel PRYTHERD Son 6 Scholar born ditto
Joseph PRYTHERD Son 1 Scholar born ditto

HTH,
Trish

[Trish]

1871 Census
Reference RG10/5672 folio 21 Page 33
No. 5 Charnell's [or Charnall's]W?, Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
John PRYTHERCH Head Married 55 Labourer born Denbigh Denbigh
Peter PRYTHERCH Son 17 Farm Servant born ditto
Elizabeth PRYTHERCH Daur 14 Scholar born ditto
Grace PRYTHERCH Daur 11 ditto born ditto
Kate PRYTHERCH Daur 9 ditto born ditto
Mary PRYTHERCH Daur 7 ditto born ditto

Regards,
Trish

[Trish]

1861 Census
Reference RG10/5672 folio 21 Page 33
Windmill Place, Denbigh, Denbighshire, Wales
John PRYTHERCH Head 39 Ag Lab born Denbighshire Denbigh
Dorothy PRYTHERCH 34 Wife Carnarvonshire ?Conway
William PRYTHERCH Son 15 born Denbighshire ?Henllan or ?Llenllen
Sarah PRYTHERCH Daur 13 born ditto
Thomas PRYTHERCH Son 10 born ditto
Dorothy PRYTHERCH Daur 8 born ditto
Peter PRYTHERCH Son 6 born ditto
Elizabeth PRYTHERCH Daur 4 born ditto
Joseph PRYTHERCH Son 2 born ditto

Regards,
Trish

[Trish]

The following could be the birth record for your grandfather:

PRYTHERCH, Paul born March Quarter 1883 Wrexham
Reference: Volume 11b Page 300

I don't see him in the 1901 census for either Wales or England.

Trish

[Trish]

1871 Census: Olive KNIGHT
Reference RG10/2846 folio 18 Page 29
?Botany Bay, Tunstall, Staffordshire
William KNIGHT Head 60 Coalminer born Staffs Norton
Elizabeth KNIGHT Wife 55 born ditto Leek
Olive KNIGHT Daur 14 Potter born ditto
Elizabeth KNIGHT Daur 21 Domestic Servant born ditto
Rosannah KNIGHT Gr Daur 1 born ditto Burslem
Hannah WOOTON [or WOOTEN] Lodger 19 Potter born ditto

I think this is probably your Olive KNIGHT.

Regards,
Trish

[Trish]

1861 Census: Olive KNIGHT
Reference RG9/1928 folio 54 Page 16
Burnhays, Burslem, Staffordshire
Willm KNIGHT Head 50 Miner born Staffs Norton
Elizabeth KNIGHT Wife 46 born ditto Burslem
John KNIGHT Son 17 born ditto Norton
Hannah KNIGHT Daur 14 born ditto
Levi KNIGHT Son 12 born ditto
Job KNIGHT Son 11 born ditto
Elizabeth KNIGHT Daur 11 born ditto
Maliah [or Maleah] KNIGHT Daur 9 born ditto
Jane KNIGHT Daur 7 born ditto
Olive KNIGHT Daur 4 born Staffs Burslem

Regards,
Trish

[Trish]

The following could be your great grandparents' marriage record -- if you consider that recording clerks might have mangled your gr. grandfather's name:

KNIGHT, Olive
PARRY, Petter
+ 2 others listed on record
Marriage December Quarter 1873 Wolanston Staffordshire
Reference: Volume 6b Page 201

Trish

[Trish]

And Olive and young family in 1881:

1881 Census
RG11/5532 Folio 12 Page 19
7 Post Office Lane [Court], Denbigh, Denbighshire
Olive PRYTHERCH Head [Wife is crossed out] 24 Colliers Wife born Stafford Burslem
Dorothy PRYTHERCH Daur 6 Scholar born Stafford Tunstall
Peter PRYTHERCH Son 4 Scholar born ditto
Grace PRYTHERCH Daur 2 born Lancashire Wigan
Ada PRYTHERCH Daur 5 mo. born Denbigh Denbigh

Trish

[Valerie1593]

Dear Trish, you truly are a star. Thank you so much for all the information.

As you can probably tell, I'm new at all this "genealogy stuff" and it would probably have taken me ages to find all this information. No wonder I couldn't find anything on Olive Knight - I had been assuming that she was Welsh - I had no idea that we had English blood in our background, I thought that we were Scottish and Welsh (although I did hear my father mutter something about an Irish grandmother one time - I think she may be a Betsy Kinnear, but that's another family line for another time.)

Post #6 - I'm pretty sure that that is indeed my grandfather's birth record since he was born on January 20th. Also, since he would have been 18 at the time of the 1901 census he may already have joined up with the 17th Lancers which would explain why he didn't show up in either the Welsh or English census - he was probably already in South Africa. Somewhere along the line he married my grandmother, Agnes Henderson from Musselborough, just south of Edinburgh, and they lived in Joppa (a suburb of Edinburgh) at the time my favourite aunt (also Olive Knight) and my mother were born. I, too was born in Edinburgh but now live in San Diego, California - another loooong story.

Olive Knight, so far the most elusive relative, seems to have had quite an interesting life. I'm looking forward to finding out more about her.

Thanks again for all your hard work - you have no idea how much I appreciate it.

Sincerely,

Valerie

[Trish]

Why thank you, Valerie. Happy to help out.

It's interesting what you find out about your ancestors when you start digging. It's especially surprising how much some of them moved around back in an age when moving around wasn't so easy!

I've just noticed two errors on the 1871 census transcription I gave you: 1] Elizabeth's and Olive's ages and occupations have been transposed and 2] Hannah's last name looks more like WOOTEN on the actual census image. I will edit it but wanted to draw your attention to the errors in case you've already stored the information.

I bet it's nice and warm in beautiful San Diego right about now.

The best of luck to you in the rest of your family research.
Trish

[Valerie1593]

Thanks again Trish for all your help. I must admit that I was a little worried about the 1871 census and the fact that Olive would have been 21 and there was that granddaughter - Rosannah (1 year old) living in the house at that time. I thought. "oh goody, another relative I've never heard of". Now it seems that Rosannah might have been Elizabeth's child instead of Olive's. I have corrected my records thanks to your help.

I must admit that genealogy can be so frustrating at times but when you find a piece of the puzzle and it starts to fall into place it's such a "high".

Now all I have to do is e-mail my brother (who lives in Australia) and try to gently break the news to him that we have English blood in the family also. All these years we had been thinking that we were at least 75% Scots, with that Welsh grandfather in the mix. Now I find out that we are truly representative of the entire U.K. - we appear to be mainly Scots, but with Welsh, English and maybe even Irish thrown in. For some reason that makes me very, very happy.

San Diego is indeed a beautiful city and I feel so lucky to be able to live here but the past couple of days we have had the Santa Ana (Devil) winds blowing in from the desert and it is soooooooooo hot. However, so far we have had a cool summer (by our standards) and I guess we can suffer through a few days of 90-100 degree temperatures before it, hopefully, starts to cool off in October.

Thanks again - I truly do appreciate all your help. Without your help I would still be floundering around looking for Olive Knight somewhere in Wales.

Valerie

p.s. Trish - I forgot to mentioned that "moving around". Yes, I too was really surprised at how much people used to move around way back when. I sort of had the idea in mind that they pretty much stayed close to home, but then my grandfather, originally from Wrexham, somehow managed to meet my grandmother who, as far as I know right now, was born and raised in Musselburgh just south of Edinburgh. They got married and raised their family in Edinburgh. Another "mystery" to try to solve!

[Louie95]

Hi Valerie, I am unsure if this will ever reach you or not as the post is quite a few years old and there's no other way to contact you. However, if it does, we were close friends with Olive Genovese (formally Olive Prytherch), who passed away at the age of 90 a month ago. My mom was clearing out her house when we found a shoe horn belonging to her dad, Sam, who owned a shoe repair store in Langley British Columbia (The province where we live). While researching the store, we found this post. We would love to hear from you if this message ever finds your way. You can contact my mother at [email protected] . Hope to possible hear from you one day and learn more about this family we have in common! - Chris

[christanel]

Welcome to British-Genealogy Louie95


Valerie is no longer a member of the forum so will not receive notification of your post which is very unfortunate for her.


Christina

[helachau]

Could this be Sam?

1901 Census - RG13 2800 8 7
Sam Prytherick (as transcribed/original), Inmate of Reformatory School, age 16, born Wrexham, address Stoke Prior, Bromsgrove.

In March 1900 a Samuel Prytherch, age 15, Poplar Road, appeared with 3 others before Wrexham magistrates - breaking into the national Schools, Maderia hill
In May 1900 an order was made against Peter Prytherch, of Erddig Road, to contribute 2s a week towards the maintenance of his son who was in the reformatory School