How do you find a divorce?

[IreneH]

I'm trying to track down a divorce. Francis Brown married Charlotte Augusta Rainsford in Ireland in 1833. They had two sons. Francis Edward b. 1836 and Charles William b. 1837. Francis remarried in 1866 Lucy Adele Handley.
Charlotte died In Ireland in 1845.
The other mystery is that Charles William Brown 2nd son of Francis and Charlotte does not show up any where except in the 1881 census in Jersey as an accountant. He died in Jersey.
He does not show up in any census living with his brother and parents as a family.

Any clues?

irene

[Wilkes_ml]

A divorce between who? If Francis Brown was widowed in 1845, he was free to remarry in 1866.

[IreneH]

Sorry! Getting my Francis mix up. Every son seemed to be called Francis and often out a middle name.

irene

[Dundee10]

They had two sons. Francis Edward b. 1836 and Charles William b. 1837.
irene

Where were Francis and Charles born?


The other mystery is that Charles William Brown 2nd son of Francis and Charlotte does not show up any where except in the 1881 census in Jersey as an accountant. He died in Jersey.
He does not show up in any census living with his brother and parents as a family.

Where are you seeing his parents and brother living as a family? Which census?

[Peter Goodey]

Francis remarried in 1866 Lucy Adele Handley.

On the marriage certificate, what was his status?

[Dundee10]

Where are you seeing his parents and brother living as a family? Which census?

Bearing this in mind:



Charlotte died In Ireland in 1845.

[IreneH]

1841. No sign any where else. But there's something odd about that as well. It's all a real mess with this family.
No sign of Charles. However there is a sister?? Ages don't match. Sister is much older????
Charlotte died 1845 Ireland with less than a pound to her name. Browns were a wealthy family. Hence the question of a split or divorce.
All the records and information says the Charlotte and Francis only had Francis Edward and Charles William

[Wilkes_ml]

In 1845, Charlotte would not have had any wealth unless it had been specifically left to her for her own sole use by a relative and stipulated as such in a will or legal document. Any money/property would have been taken over by her husband as she lived before the introduction of the Married Women's Property Act in 1870.

[Wilkes_ml]

To help others, Family search has Francis Edward son of Francis & Charlotte Augusta Brown born 10th April 1836 bapt. 27th April 1836 at St. Olave's-Marygate, York, York, England, but also another entry for a baptism same date at Welbourne, Lincoln.

son Charles William BROWN born 26 November 1837 and baptised 7 February 1838 at St. Nicholas, Brighton, Sussex.

Francis Edward joined the 66th Regiment of Foot in 1858, and served abroad in the East Indies from 1859-1864, so won't be in the 1861 UK census

[Wilkes_ml]

OK....Charlotte Augusta couldn't have died in Ireland in 1845...she was alive and well in 1851 living with husband Francis ( a landed proprietor) and son Francis E. , Living at Walkington, Yorkshire. Ref: 1851 census HO107 Piece 2359 Folio 180 Pg 7

Edited to add:

Francis BROWN aged 44 born Melbourne, Lincolnshire
Charlotte A. BROWN aged 35 born Ireland
Francis E. BROWN aged 14 born Bootham, Yorkshire

[christanel]

Where were Francis and Charles born?

Where are you seeing his parents and brother living as a family? Which census?

There is a tree on ancestry with the following details. The death year for Charlotte doesn't match the one you gave in post #1

1851 HO107 piece 2359 folio 180 page 7
Walkington Yorkshire
Frances Brown 44 Head landed proprietor, Melbourne Lincolnshire
Charlotte A Brown 35 wife Ireland
Francis E Brown 14 son, Bootham Yorkshire
Elizabeth James 39 servant
Mary Doughty 28 servant
Jane Pickard 19 servant


Death
Charlotte Augusta Brown 14 Nov 1857 Lower Mount Street, Dublin, Ireland
Register of Wills and Probate (1866). Primary Beneficiary/Executor - Francis Edward Brown, Son

Christening
Charles William Brown
Born 26 Nov 1837
Christened 7 Feb 1838 at Brighton, Sussex, England
Age 0
Father - Francis Brown
Mother - Charlotte Augusta

ancestry gave a hint for the 1861 census - Charles Brown born Brighton age 23, a scholar, at Agricultural College, Cirencester Gloucestershire RG9/1782/100/13

You type faster than me Michelle :smile5:

[Wilkes_ml]

Francis BROWN Esq. formerly of Ruddington Manor in the County of Nottingham a Brevet major in Her Majesty's Army, but late of Ancaster in the County of Lincolshire died 17th May 1872. Probate to Lucy Adele BROWN widow and relict of Ancaster.

[Wilkes_ml]

You type faster than me Michelle :smile5:

:lol: but you found more than me!

[IreneH]

Charlotte died 1857. Sorry got my date wrong there. You've come up with what I have.
Have Charles listed at Rugby school seems that he may have been sent of to school at a very early age. Had seeni that possibility at Ag Collage. Francis waits 10yrs then remarries and has 10 more kids.
He was in the army which could explain. The fact that Charlotte died almost penniless suggests that there was some sort of split or a divorce.

[Pam Downes]

Charlotte died 1857. Sorry got my date wrong there. You've come up with what I have.
Have Charles listed at Rugby school seems that he may have been sent of to school at a very early age. Had seeni that possibility at Ag Collage. Francis waits 10yrs then remarries and has 10 more kids.
Charlotte dies 1857.
Charles marries again 10 year after her death, which means 1867.
He then fathers ten more kids - but according to Michelle's post #12 he died in 1872. Ten kids in 5 years? :confused5: (Yes, I know it's possible with multiple births, but even so, it's pushing it. :smile5:)


He was in the army which could explain. The fact that Charlotte died almost penniless suggests that there was some sort of split or a divorce.
Did you read Michelle's post #8?

Pam

[Dundee10]

The 1871 census shows four children - Walter Hy (4), Wm F. (2), Edward (1), and Lucy A.M. (1 month). Walter was born in London and the other children at Ancaster, Lincolnshire. Class: RG10; Piece: 3361; Folio: 70; Page: 2

[Wilkes_ml]

As far as I can tell, only 3 children born to Francis and Lucy Adele...William Francis baptised 12th July 1868, Edward baptised 31st October 1869 and Lucy Adele Mary baptised 19th March 1871, all at Ancaster, Lincolnshire.

[Wilkes_ml]

In 1881 at 41 St. Peter's Street, Bedford, Bedfordshire Ref: RG11 Piece 1618 Folio 89 Pg 23

Lucy Adela BROWN, widow is living with just 2 children: Lucy Adela Mary BROWN aged 14 and Lurat or Luzat George BROWN aged 8...so maybe she was pregnant, or just had her 4th child at the time of Francis's death in 1872.

Edited to say that son "Luzat" George was incorrectly recorded in 1881...he should be Lionel George

[Wilkes_ml]

In 1891 still at 41 St. Peter's Street, Bedford Ref: RG12 Piece 1248 Folio 111 Pg 18

Lucy A. BROWN, widow, , living on own means
William F. BROWN, son aged 22
Edward BROWN, son aged 21
Lucy A. M. BROWN, dau aged 20
Lionel G. BROWN aged 18

Lionel George BROWN went to Oxford University..date of birth given as 23 Apr 1872, so just before his father died.

[IreneH]

Hi everyone,

Ok I'm back. Trying do this on an iPad id not a good idea. Can't easily check what I'm talking about.
Now, all I want to know is, was there a split or a divorce between Francis and Charlotte and how to find out - if thats possible, and where was Charles William.
As you have not come up with anything that I don't already have then I figure that I'm not going to get the answers that I want.
So
Many thanks
Irene

[Wilkes_ml]

There is no reason to believe that there was a split or a divorce. But the place to look for a divorce from the early 1800s (pre 1858) would be in the private acts of parliament ( hence the high cost) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/changes/chron-tables/private

searching from 1837-1857, there was no divorce between Francis & Charlotte as suspected.

[Wilkes_ml]

P.s. your opening post
Any clues?

That's what we gave you


The other mystery is that Charles William Brown 2nd son of Francis and Charlotte does not show up any where except in the 1881 census in Jersey as an accountant

I believe Christina found him in the 1861 census at college Cirencester Gloucestershire RG9/1782/100/13...post #11

[Wilkes_ml]

You've come up with what I have.
Have Charles listed at Rugby school seems that he may have been sent of to school at a very early age. Had seen that possibility at Ag Collage.

You didn't give us that information in your opening post#1. Would have saved us time if we already knew that he had been sent away to school from a young age. :banghead:

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