david and mary thomas 1861 or 1871 census

[royston]

Looking for David Thomas (born C.1818 at Cilybebyll) and wife Mary (born 1817 at Corbridge, Northumberland) on the 1861 and 1871 census.
1841 and 1851 they were at Plantation Row, Rhymney. Lost track of them after this.
Children,Isabella 1842,Thomas 1843,Ann 1846,Mary 1846,Paul 1847, Jane 1849.
Also Mary's Father, Paul Brown born 1783 at Corbridge. He was at Wellington Row, Rhymney in 1851.
Any help appreciated.
Roy

[Trish]

Looking for David Thomas (born C.1818 at Cilybebyll) and wife Mary (born 1817 at Corbridge, Northumberland) on the 1861 and 1871 census.
1841 and 1851 they were at Plantation Row, Rhymney. Lost track of them after this.
Children,Isabella 1842,Thomas 1843,Ann 1846,Mary 1846,Paul 1847, Jane 1849.
Also Mary's Father, Paul Brown born 1783 at Corbridge. He was at Wellington Row, Rhymney in 1851.
Any help appreciated.
RoyRoy,

Could this be son Paul in 1871?

Address: No 3 Second Row, Bedwelty, Monmouthshire
Paul THOMAS Head 23 Iron Worker born Rhymney Noon
Susan THOMAS Wife 24 born Tredegar
Mary THOMAS Daur 13m or 18m born Tredegar

Reference: RG10/5321 Folio 92 Page 59

HTH,
Trish

[Trish]

And son Thomas in 1871?

Address: 26 Cambrian St., Bedwelty, Monmouthshire
Thomas THOMAS Head 28 Miner born Monmouthshire Rhymney
Rachel THOMAS Wife 25 born Breconshire Brynmaur
David THOMAS Son 3 born Monmouthshire Rhymney
John THOMAS Son 1 born ditto

Reference: RG10/5329 Folio 34 Page 28

HTH,
Trish

[Trish]

There is a death record for a Paul BROWN in the civil registration index for Wales:

BROWN, Paul
Death
Age 88
September Quarter 1867
Bedwelty Monmouthshire
Volume 11a
Page 56

The age is a bit off for your Paul BROWN but close enough to consider this a possible match.

Trish

[Trish]

I think the following BROWN family may be connected to your Mary THOMAS and her father Paul BROWN -- maybe brother and son, respectively? [Note Thomas BROWN's birthplace and the similarities in given names with your THOMAS/BROWN family.]

1861 census
Address: 20 Pritchards Row, Bedwellty, Monmouthshire
Thomas BROWN Head 46 Roller at Iron Works born Newcastle on Lyne
Mary BROWN Wife 35 born Breconshire Penderyn
Isabella BROWN Daur 11 Scholar born Monmouthshire Rumney
Charlotte BROWN Daur 9 Scholar born ditto
John BROWN Son 7 Scholar born ditto
Paul BROWN Son 4 Scholar born ditto
William Morgan BROWN Son 2 born ditto
Thomas BROWN Son 4 months born ditto born ditto

Reference: RG9/4001 Folio 73 Page 11

Trish

[royston]

Hi Trish, You are a real treasure. I think that you a correct on all entries.
I do know that some of the family are buried at Rhymney church and will have to make the effort to get there. Although it is only about 6 miles away, I have not yet persuaded my wife to accompany me. She has got a little fed up wiyh trawling churchyards over the years. Only done about 50 !!.
I am very grateful for you help. Thank you so much, Roy

[Trish]

Thank you, Roy. Just happy to help. But you must get yourself to that churchyard! Maybe you could entice your wife with the promise of a nice dinner out afterward!

I'm not sure why we can't find your THOMASes in 1861. You mention that they were living on Plantation Row in Rhymney. Do you know the names of their neighbours by any chance? I can't search the 1861 census by street name but it may be possible to find the street -- and possibly the THOMAS family -- by finding their neighbours [if everyone's still at the same addresses.]

Regards,
Trish

[royston]

Hi Trish, No I do not have neighbours for the Thomases in 1851. I only have the entry that was given to me by a relative. Have you many Welsh lines to research ?. Virtually all of mine seem to fade out around 1800. Some almost as if they materialised out of thin air. Then to top it off Thomas Thomas, son of David, goes off to America about 1896. He went with a married daughter and son in law. They returned without him. He then disappears forever, even though having a wife and several other daughters. If you want to look for someone do not try a Thomas Thomas. 47 likely candidates found in the area of the USA that he went to.
Will try your idea of "a bribe" but do not hold out any hope until next sprmessage=Hi Trish, No I do not have neighbours for the Thomases in 1851. I only have the entry that was given to me by a relative. Have you many Welsh lines to research ?. Virtually all of mine seem to fade out around 1800. Some almost as if they materialised out of thin air. Then to top it off Thomas Thomas, son of David, goes off to America about 1896. He went with a married daughter and son in law. They returned without him. He then disappears forever, even though having a wife and several other daughters. If you want to look for someone do not try a Thomas Thomas. 47 likely candidates found in the area of the USA that he went to.
Will try your idea of "a bribe" but do not hold out any hope until next spring at least.
Thanks again, Roy