1851 & 1861 Middlesex look up please

[greyann]

I would appreciate help with the 1851 and 1861 census for an Abbott Family. In the 1840s children were born in Tormoham Devon and Paddington and in the 1871 census I have found some in London.

Father - John Samuel Abbott by 1851 a widower (Helen Dunbar was his wife).
Children
- John Samuel Dunbar Abbott (by 1861 was known as John Samuel Dunbar Abbott)
- Duncan Dunbar Abbott
- Helen Dunbar Abbott
- Annie Dunbar Abbott (is listed as a visitor in Devon in 1851)
- William Smith Dunbar Abbott
- Phoebe Ann Abbott
- Elizabeth Mary Bowyer Abbott

Thank you

Ann Grey

[Procat]

Hi Ann,

Can you give us approximate year and place of birth for each?

[greyann]

Thank you for your reply. The following is the info I have.
William Smith Dunbar Abbott 29 Sept 1848, 11 Inverness Rd Paddington
Annie Dunbar Abbott 30 January 1847, London
Helen Dunbar Abbott 1 December 1844 Abbey Cottage, Torquay, Devon
Duncan Dunbar Abbott 13 July 1843, Tormoham, Devon
Elizabeth Mary Bowyer Abbott - 4 April 1842, assume Tormoham, Devon
Phoebe Ann Abbott, 10 July 1840, asssume Tormoham Devon
John Samuel Dunbar Abbott 26 September 1838, Tormoham, Devon (Sure). Cant find out about the name change and coat of arms in 1862 could be Abbott Dunbar by 1861.
Father John Samuel Abbott, 8 April 1806, Tormoham Devon

Regards

[Trish]

...Annie Dunbar Abbott 30 January 1847, London...Ann,

There's an Ann ABBOT in the 1861 census who may be one of yours:

Address: Lodging House, Kirton in Lindsey, Lincolnshire

Isaac KNIGHT Head 52 Marine Store Dealer born Norfolk Garbersom
Mary KNIGHT Wife 60 born Lincolnshire Blyton
Ann ABBOT Niece 13 born London
William BARKER Lodger 56 Gardener born Lincolnshire Kirton Lindsey
Thomas BROWN Lodger 32 Laborer born Lincolnshire Burton upon Stather
Thomas SMITH Lodger 41 Blacksmith born Lincolnshire ?South [or Louth]
William GEE Lodger 49 Cordwainer born Lincolnshire Gt Grimsby
George DIXON Lodger 46 Laborer born Lincolnshire Corby
Ann CLARK Lodger 29 Dressmaker born Lincolnshire Boston
Marth [sic] KELLEY Lodger 13 born Yorks Hull

Reference: RG9/2397 Folio 50

HTH,

Trish

[Procat]

Hi Ann,

I am stumped.

I have tried in 1861 under Dunbar, Abbott and Abbot with all sorts of permutations and can not pick them up.

Perhaps they were on The Grand Tour?

Maybe someone else will have better luck.

Sorry,

[jeeb]

Hi Ann,
Like Procat, I cannot find your Abbott family on 1861 census but I have found this family in Wales and the similarities to your family seem strange. I know it isn't the right family but there may well be a connection which may point you in the right direction. I will give you the ref, and main family members and if you think it is worth further investigation you will be able to look for yourself.

RG9/4074 Folio 21 Page 14
Bridgend, Sub Dis- Maesteg.
James Bridgen 30
Helen Dunbar Bridgen. wife 23
Duncan Dunbar Bridgen, son 3m
Samuel Bridgett Brother in law 29
Sarah Hannah Bridgett Sister 26
John Edwin Bridgett nephew 8m
Marianna Brey Lawton Aunt 70
Louisa Belcombe Aunt 59

James is an iron merchant employing about 1,000 men & boys. Helen was born in Bombay.

Thought it may be worth bringing to your attention.

Cheers Jeremy.

[greyann]

Thank you for your replies

Regards

Ann G
New Zealand