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Mitch in Notts
25-01-2014, 8:54 PM
Hello. This is a 1718 Derbyshire Inventory of a husbandman. We have decided it is written in Derbyshire dialect :nonod: but I think we have done quite well. 3 illegible lines and a few odd words out of 24 lines. I am posting the whole lot in one see what you think.

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For fare? trmess? in the house.
for 2 Treipotes? and brass
for puter (pewter)
for 1 clloack(cloak) and i have no idea what the rest says.


Next image:

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in the chamber over the leatell(little) parllor(parlour) for ******
in the sellear(cellar) for alle (ale) and bruing(brewing) effelles?


And next:
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Says:
for 5 knie? & 6 bolleackes(bullocks)
for 5 flarickoros?

And finally the last word on this line:
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for 10 hoarses and sadleass(sadles) and other ******


Thanks in advance & hope!

Mitch

Allan F Sparrow
25-01-2014, 9:08 PM
In the third extract, that "knie" might be "kine" which at least fits the context. Sorry, but that's the only bit I have any idea on!

Second part: could it be brewing vessels?

Mitch in Notts
25-01-2014, 9:25 PM
Brilliant! Thanks
For the uneducated (moi) a kine is an archaic word for cows or cattle.
And I agree with vessels.
Thanks

Allan F Sparrow
25-01-2014, 9:29 PM
You're welcome! I really cannot make sense of the rest, but maybe someone else will join in...

Allan F Sparrow
25-01-2014, 10:21 PM
Just had another thought: in the first extract, could it be "iron posts and brass"? Don't where the iron posts might be, though!

Sue Mackay
25-01-2014, 11:31 PM
Just had another thought: in the first extract, could it be "iron posts and brass"? Don't where the iron posts might be, though!

I think it says 'iron goodes and brass'. Right at the end of the same extract it says 'and other goodes' with an e in goods.

Allan F Sparrow
26-01-2014, 8:56 AM
Sue could well be right on "goodes". Overnight, I came to think that pots was more likely than posts. You pays your money and takes your choice!

cicilysmith
26-01-2014, 11:40 AM
At the top it says, Item for fire irons in the house

cicilysmith
26-01-2014, 12:02 PM
for 1 clock (it may be cloak but I have seen clock spelled like this) and a warming pan in ?? wodenware

bruingue selles, maybe the ue belongs to brewing , leaving sells, small stools or fells, animal skins??
hoarses and saddles and other gears, although I have never seen that word spelled like that before

Will go and get the OED and have another look, cicilysmith

cicilysmith
26-01-2014, 12:09 PM
it's bruing vessels, sorry, you've got that sorted already.
I think starickers are stirks, young bullocks or heifers

Allan F Sparrow
26-01-2014, 1:52 PM
Warming pan looks very plausible, though I still don't see the rest of the line.
Stirk is even in my one-volume dictionaries, though I'd never seen the word before - but starickers is not there. In the context, very possible!

cicilysmith
26-01-2014, 2:56 PM
I think it's "moare wodenware"

Mitch in Notts
26-01-2014, 4:03 PM
Thank you both for your help. Some of it is obvious when someone else sees it!

So we have:
for fire Irons in the house
for 2 Iron pots & brass
for clock and a warming pan & more woodenware
in the cellar for ale & brewing vessels
for 5 kine & 6 bullocks
for 5 stirks
for 10 horses and saddles and other gears.

So it is just the word 'in the chamber over the little parlour for per ergon' as it looks to me!
in the chamber over the little parlour for ****

Any suggestions?

Thanks

Mitch

cicilysmith
26-01-2014, 4:43 PM
There is a word paragon which means a rich sort of upholstery, but surely the appraisers would be more likely to list chairs or furniture of some sort. I have gone through all the Words from Wills by Stuart A. Raymond beginning with p. Sorry, cicilysmith

Mitch in Notts
26-01-2014, 6:29 PM
I've missed one:


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for 6 year auld coafoass and 2 fealles
= for 6 year old ?????? and 2 foals

any ideas what manner of animal that is? (its not a cow nor a colt)

cicilysmith
26-01-2014, 9:36 PM
The only other animal I can think of apart from a horse, (and we know he has ten horses) which has foals is a donkey/ass. The end of the word might be ass but I cannot imagine what the beginning would be. I don't think I have ever found a donkey in a will. I have tried looking at various Derbyshire dialect pages but have got nowhere, cs

Mitch in Notts
27-01-2014, 9:14 AM
Thanks for looking Cicily - and it is the only animal on the page that is given a specific age - which you would have thought would make it a 'significant' animal. Below is the full inventory!

Thanks again,

Mitch

Inventory of Samuel WHEATCROFT 1718

A True Inventoy of all goodes and cattells(chattels) of Samuell WHEATCROFT late/
Deceased of Wesington in the prish of Chrich and in the county of Darbe/
Husbandman taken the 18 day of Desember in the year of our/
Lord God 1718 by us whose names are subscribed.
£ s d
Imprs - purss and aparrell 3 0 0
Itam - for fire iriness(irons) in the house 0 15 0
Itam - for 2 irin(iron) potes(pots) and brass 1 10 0
Itam - for puter(pewter) 1 11 6
Itam - for 1 clloack(clock) and a waranigng(warming) pan & moare
Wodenware 2 10 0
Itam - in the parllor(parlour) and bead(bed) and other goodes 1 10 0
Itam - in the pantroy for goodes 0 5 0
Itam - in the leatoll(little) parllore and bead 0 10 0
Itam - in the chamber over the house and bead and other goodes 1 10 4
Itam - in the chamber over the leatoll parllor for pormergon?? 1 9 6
Itam - in the sealloar(cellar) for alle(ale) and bruing(brewing) vesselles
2 0 0
Itam - in the bruheas(brewers) house for goodes 3 0 0
Itam - in the chamber over the bruheas house for goodes 1 1 3
Itam - in the moallt house for barlle(barley) and moallt 8 0 0
Itam - for 5 kine(cows or cattle) and 6 balleackes(bullocks) 30 4 6
Itam - for 5 starickoros(stirks) 7 10 6
Itam - for 6 year auld coaseass?? and 3 foealles(foals) 6 0 0
Itam - for 2 boulloackes(bullocks) and 2 heafearess(heifers) and a bull
10 1 6
Itam - for 2 Coullteass(colts) and a flealley(filly) 7 10 4
Itam - for 10 hoarses and sadleass(saddles) and for gtaearos(gears?) 30 0 0
Itam - for 6 swine 5 1 6
Itam - for 1 wagein(wagon) 1 cart 1 weane(wain) and for
plouessharoaross (ploughshears) 9 10 6
Itam - for yokeass(yokes) and leamineass(harnesses?) 1 10 0
Itam - for hea(hay) and cornee(corn) 40 0 0
Itam - for things not seean or forgeat 0 14 6
Total 175 16 5
Tho NIGHTINGALE
Edward WRIAHT(X)
William HARVEY

cicilysmith
27-01-2014, 11:28 AM
I'm very impressed by the ten horses. I have never transcribed a will with so many horses. Was he a carrier? Have you tried asking Peter Patella who runs the website on Crich for suggestions?
Stuart A. Raymond says of gear "Equipment, especially horse or ploughing tackle, but sometimes used as a collective noun for a variety of different things, including livestock. " I have mainly found "other gear" in wills as referring to the rest of the horse's tack. cicilysmith

Mitch in Notts
27-01-2014, 8:13 PM
Thanks for your help Cicily. This will is a significant advancement in the Wheatcroft family tree. I have previously been in touch with Peter as he also has links to the Wheatcrofts. I am going to forward him this will & transcription with the hope he will put it on his Crich site. I will let you know if we solve the mystery animal! Mitch

cicilysmith
27-01-2014, 10:50 PM
I would love to know what it is, cicilysmith

Wiganexile
28-01-2014, 2:27 PM
6 oneyearold calves?

cicilysmith
29-01-2014, 12:14 PM
That's very clever of you. So he's written 6 year old calves but he means 6, year old calves. I'd never have thought of that, cicilysmith

Mitch in Notts
29-01-2014, 2:25 PM
Weirdly someone else suggested calves about the same time as wiganexile. I had realised that 6 was a quantity and not an age - though not for some time after deciphering! So I am going to accept calves as it does follow on after cattle, bullocks and stirks - though it is odd that it has been listed with foals, though they then move onto another 2 bullocks and a filly, so perhaps no logic to this one!

Thanks

Mitch