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Wilkes_ml
12-10-2013, 1:22 PM
At first I thought it may be widdower or bastard or baseborn, as the word doesn't appear in all the entries. In the first image it isn't clear how the word preceeding Robert? is spelled,

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc25/Wilkes_ml/Family%20History/NathanielsonofRobertOWERSbaptised1630atFelsteadcro pped_zpsfade06d7.png (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/Wilkes_ml/media/Family%20History/NathanielsonofRobertOWERSbaptised1630atFelsteadcro pped_zpsfade06d7.png.html)

so I copied another entry on same page where the word is clearer

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc25/Wilkes_ml/Family%20History/latinbaptism1630atFelsteadcropped2_zps466fa412.png (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/Wilkes_ml/media/Family%20History/latinbaptism1630atFelsteadcropped2_zps466fa412.png .html)

Google translater gives me basi natus for baseborn, viduus for widower and bastardus for bastard, so does anyone know what the word preceeding Robert in first image means?

Or is it a name? I just realised it could be the father's name and the mother is Roberta?

Ta

Wilkes_ml
12-10-2013, 1:27 PM
doh...just realised (from reading further down), the mother's name is Rebecca, so the word beginning with "W" must be the father's name!

edited to say, could it be a variant of William, instead of the usual Guilemus?

Wilkes_ml
12-10-2013, 1:31 PM
lol...case solved! http://www.freereg.org.uk/howto/latinnames.htm

shows Willielmus as an illiterate form of Gulielmus (William).

Copper
12-10-2013, 3:31 PM
The ends of given names change depending on the case (I did not study Latin so can't elaborate) so in your second set of examples there is Willelmus filius Willelmi

William son of William to us.

They also often wrote the given names of the mothers with an ae on the end.

daleaway
13-10-2013, 12:40 AM
Nathaniel son of William and Rebecca ?Owens? was baptised on the 29th day of May.

I must say it does not look like Rebecca.

Dale in New Zealand

Wilkes_ml
13-10-2013, 9:34 AM
It is William & Rebecca OWERS, which is often spelt as EWERS or OURS, so I'm not really sure how it is pronounced.

In the 1600s the alphabet is almost like a different language, but after reading many wills and registers I am used the the actual lettering...c is written as r, and e is written as o with a line through it..so what looks like " Roborra" is actually Rebecca!

it gets even more confusing as they have a single letter for the sound "sh" as in "shilling", "v" looks like a "d" and the capital letters are very different to what they are now, with "G" looking like "C" and "C" looking like O with a cross through it!

as an example "Sevenoaks" looks like "Sodonoaks" at first glance!