Can anyone help read a name please?

[Wilkes_ml]

From a 1662 Will. It's almost like a different language...if you need a link to the whole document to be able to compare other words, I'll pop it onto photobucket.

http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/extensions/uploads/895a64d2-86fa-4674-b0b1-827fe19093f0.jpg

The top line reads: the appletree? unto the the said John Rolfe
next line: underneath to be begotten and in case my said son ?o?n (but it isn't the same as John above!)

favourite family names seem to be Thomas, Daniel, Benjamin & Philemon but it isn't Philemon, as his brother Philemon is mentioned already


http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/extensions/uploads/996a3ddd-93e3-430f-8f6a-b8313d11df23.jpg

link to whole document just click on it to open it up then you can zoom inhttp://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc25/Wilkes_ml/Family%20History/WillofJohnRolfeofHighEasterdated1662_zpscc1cc66b.j pg (http://s213.photobucket.com/user/Wilkes_ml/media/Family%20History/WillofJohnRolfeofHighEasterdated1662_zpscc1cc66b.j pg.html)

[pippycat]

Michelle

I think it does read Philemon.

As you say, Philemon already been mentioned before - isn't that what "my said son" means :smile:

But having said that I'm wondering if it could be Ben too!

Sorry no help at all!

Rebecca

[Wilkes_ml]

The first letter doesn't look like a capital "B" like the capital "B" in the word "Brother" which is significantly different to the small "b" in the word "begotten", otherwise I would have gone with Ben..it also looks like four letters , the second letter being "o" and the last letter being "n".

Philemon is his brother...it is a much longer word and much different to the word in question..but it a good example of how different a capital "P" is written to how we would write it now.

[Wilkes_ml]

Doh...I've worked it out....It is also John! By looking at the words Shallby, Shillings and looking and the several mentions of the name Philemon , there are two different ways of writing the letter "h". One way is the more modern way, as we would write it now, and one is more like the rounded Greek Sigma sign, so there are two ways of writing the name John, and he switched between the two ways, the same as he does with the name Philemon!

[maesglas/ssclub]

Hi Wilkes
it looks like Joey to me.

Robert

[Wilkes_ml]

Thanks for looking at it...but I'm certain it's John now...I hadn't realised that they had essentially two alphabets which they could interchange at will. Once you get use to the language used in wills (from later wills) the wording is easier to interpret, by looking at whole words rather than individual letters.

[cicilysmith]

May I say not appletree but appurtenances, cicilysmith

[Ladkyis]

Appurtenance is the correct word and the name is definitely John because he uses the phrase "my said son" which means he has already been mentioned.

[Wilkes_ml]

Thanks, once I had read it a few times I realised appletree didn't make sense! I think the mention of the orchards in a previous will had fuddled my brain!

edited to say that I think orchards are mentioned in this will too (11 lines down in will) " outhouses yards & orchards", I think he owned a big farm or estate.