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blue wren
27-08-2013, 12:10 PM
I am chasing information about Richard CHADWICK who signed up to the 13th Light Dragoons on 5 June 1851 at the tender age of 18yrs in York. His discharge record shows he was born in Cawnpore East Indies about 1833/32 and served for nearly 12 years finally leaving in 1863 of his own choice.

The record shows that he transferred to the 7th Hussars around 1858 and during his service at various times was promoted from Private to Corporal to Sergeant and back to Private and earned a Good Conduct Badge. The record also states 'his name has been four times in the Defaulter's book - he has been twice tried by Court Marshal'.What does this mean?

I understand that from family information that he was present at the Charge of the Light Brigade and that he rescued a Private William Purvis for which he was promoted and received a Good Conduct Badge. He went on to be involved with the Battle of Lucknow in India and was entitled to Crimean Medal with four clasps and Turkish Medal and Indian Mutiny with Lucknow clasp. The medal info comes from discharge record.

Any information or leads would be of great help!

gasser
27-08-2013, 9:41 PM
have you seen this?
www.
chargeofthelightbrigade.com/allmen/allmenC/allmenC_13LD/chadwick_r_1448_13LD.html

gasser
27-08-2013, 10:08 PM
and google this: 'In Search of the Light Brigade - Page 364 - Google Books Result'

blue wren
28-08-2013, 10:47 AM
have you seen this?
www.
chargeofthelightbrigade.com/allmen/allmenC/allmenC_13LD/chadwick_r_1448_13LD.html
Thank you gasser for this link. It has quite a bit of information - some that is the same as I have from Richard's Discharge file but other info I'm not sure where it came from and is different to what is on the army file. As this file was signed by Richard on the day of his discharge I think it has more credence. I am still a bit perplexed that he earned a Good Conduct Badge but still managed to be court marshaled twice!

Thanks once again:-)

blue wren
28-08-2013, 10:54 AM
and google this: 'In Search of the Light Brigade - Page 364 - Google Books Result'

I have tried to Google the above many different ways but with little success. If you or anyone else has a copy of the book 'In Search of the Light Brigade' by Lawrence W Crider and can let me know what is on page 364 about Richard Chadwick, I would appreciate it. Thanks again gasser!

Kind regards
Blue Wren

gasser
28-08-2013, 12:44 PM
I have sent you a pm

helachau
28-08-2013, 8:26 PM
His discharge record makes interesting reading!

see also http://www.infodial.co.uk/LBNameIndex.pdf

blue wren
28-08-2013, 11:12 PM
I have sent you a pm
Thank you very much for all your help and the information in the PM. For the bigger picture seems I will have to get hold of a copy of the book.
Cheers
Blue Wren

blue wren
28-08-2013, 11:18 PM
His discharge record makes interesting reading!

see also http://www.infodial.co.uk/LBNameIndex.pdf

Thank you helachau for this interesting link to the book Forgotten Hero's The Charge of the light Brigade at Balaclava by Roy Dutton. I have sent off for a copy. And yes his discharge file is interesting - I'd be interested to find out why he was Court Marshaled twice! I'll let you know if I find out anything more.

kategratton
15-02-2014, 6:42 PM
hi we are looking for info about Richard Chadwick too!he is our great great grandfather.We are also trying to find any siblings we know there was a William..but any others?We are trying to uncover more information about his father Mgr William Chadwick of the 11th Hussars and who his mother was.....all we have is a few pages written by our grandmother who is sadly no longer with us.If any one can shed some light on these characters it would be amazing.The link above I cant seem to open...would love to read about Richards court marshals?! very exciting!we are complete novices so any help would be great!!

kookieb
15-02-2014, 9:33 PM
Hi Kate!! It's me!! I have looked at the link and it is the same as the one I emailed you, from the people who emailed me back. I cannot find anything about his court marshals anywhere :-(

blue wren
16-02-2014, 5:48 AM
Hi kategratton

It seems we are researching the same ancestors and I may have information you do not have. So that we can 'tease' this out more I have sent you a private message.

The Brit Gen forum is wonderful and has me helped greatly with breaking down brick walls - they are so generous with their time and help.

Bluewren:-)

kategratton
16-02-2014, 10:04 AM
hello blue wren!
I dont seem to have a pm in my in box..but i am new to this!this is all so exciting!
thankyou so much for responding my cousin and myself are desperate to find out about our ancestors!

many thanks
kate gratton

helachau
16-02-2014, 2:41 PM
Richard Chadwick attested at York in 1851 - age 18, PoB Cawnpore (FMP record).

FamilySearch has an extracted record for a Richard Chadwick, b. 10 Jul 1837, c. 20 Aug 1837 at Cawnpore, Bengal, India - parents William and Harriet.
I cannot find a GRO Regimental Birth for Richard.

Possible siblings?-

FamilySearch - Thomas Chadwick, b. 23 Dec 1848, c. 21 Jan 1849 Umballah, Bengal, India - parents William and Harriet
GRO - Thomas Chadwick, 24th, Umballah, 1848, vol 842 Page 28

FamilySearch - William Chadwick, b. 2 Feb 1846, c. 29 Mar 1846, Dinapore - parents William and Harriet
GRO - William Chadwick, 24th, Dinapore, 1846, vol 84 page 8

FamilySearch - Margaret Chadwick, b. 10 Jun 1843, c. 6 Jul 1843, Agra - parents William and Harriet
GRO - Margaret Chadwick, Agra, 24th, 1843, vol 842 page 28

FamilySearch - Henry Chadwick, b7 Aug 1833, c. 4 Sep 1833, Meerut - parents William and Harriet
GRO - Henry Chadwick, Meerut, 11th, 1833, vol 117 page 58

FamilySearch - Robert Chadwick, b. 9 Nov 1835, c. 1 Dec 1835, Meerut - parents William and Harriet
GRO - Robert Chadwick, Meerut, 1835, 11th, vol 117 page 65

helachau
16-02-2014, 3:16 PM
Looked at the original image on FMP for "British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns" dated 20 August 1837

Richard, born Cawnpore 10 Jul 1837, son of William Chadwick, Crpl H. ?., 11th Drags and his wife Harriet, baptized Cawnpore, baptized by Midgley John Jennings - Dist Chaplain

helachau
16-02-2014, 3:23 PM
Looking at the same source on FMP, on Thomas' baptism registered 21 Jan 1849 William's rank is "Private, H.M. 9th Lancers"??

kategratton
16-02-2014, 4:15 PM
amazing thankyou so much!!!

kategratton
16-02-2014, 5:08 PM
we had william 11th hussars down as marrying Anne Hanson?

helachau
16-02-2014, 6:15 PM
William Chadwick, wife Harriet(t), Rank/Regt recorded on baptismal records from "British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns" -

1833, Henry - no record
1835, Robert - "Serjt, 11th Dragoons"
1837, Richard - "Corpl, 11th Drags"
1843, Margaret - "Private, 39th Regt"
1846, William - "Pte, 39th Foot"
1849, Thomas -"Private, 9th Lancers"

helachau
16-02-2014, 6:21 PM
FamilySearch has an extracted marriage record for -

William Chadwick, age 25 and Harriet Warburton on 14 November 1831 at Cawnpore, Bengal, India

blue wren
17-02-2014, 12:30 AM
Hi kategratton

I hope you can access your private messages and we can get in touch via email as we have other information about the Chadwick family also the Smiths to share

The above information from helachau is what we have gathered from similar sources and we can concur that William Chadwick married Harriett Warburton in India. I would like to move further back with William and Harriett and find out if they were both born in India or whether they moved there with family earlier - this is the next challenge.

Richard Chadwick left Army life in 1863 but disappeared from view until he reappeared married to Agnes Self in the 1881 Census in England - trying to find a lead with this - maybe the forum can help?

helachau
17-02-2014, 2:09 PM
1851 Census - ref HO107 2347 296 22

Is this the family returned from India?

helachau
17-02-2014, 2:17 PM
Re the '51 Census, and "Robert Chadwick, aged 6"

Deaths
25th May, 1836, Robert Chadwick, buried Meerut, son of Serjeant Wm Chadwick 11th Dragoons, infant (source FMP).

helachau
17-02-2014, 2:51 PM
1861 Census ref RG09 148 29 52

Note - there are two Chadwick families on the page.

kategratton
17-02-2014, 8:03 PM
we have a beaten up photocopy from a local peckham paper describing his funeral here in 1906 shortly after the passing of agnes in the same year .He is buried at forest hill london.If thats any help?

kategratton
17-02-2014, 8:23 PM
email is best im not getting anything in my inbox
k8gratton@gmail.com,thankyou so much for all your help!

blue wren
18-02-2014, 7:18 AM
I don't think so - as William and Harriett's son Robert died as an infant and was buried on 25 May 1836 at Meerut Bengal India (see Ecclesiastical Returns FMP). Also there is a daughter Mary not accounted for in previous registrations around 1841 - possible but not probable. Did William and family return to England and he found work as a shoemaker after Army life? Can't find a connection with this family.

1851 Census - ref HO107 2347 296 22

Is this the family returned from India?

blue wren
18-02-2014, 7:23 AM
Possibly this other entry is the eldest son Henry who had married and had 2 children

1861 Census ref RG09 148 29 52

Note - there are two Chadwick families on the page.

helachau
18-02-2014, 8:21 AM
Yes, Mary, b. Sheffield, 1841 and Robert, b. Derby, 1845 are a real puzzle in '51.
But for them, in Doncaster in '51 we'd have a William, b. Matlock, 1811 + Harriet, b. Maidstone, 1809 + Richard, b. Cawnpore, 1838 - and only a month or two later a Richard, b. Cawnpore attesting at York, albeit "age 18".

Then in '61 we have a William, b. Matlock, 1811 + Harriet, b. Maidstone, 1804 living 3 doors away from a Henry, b. 1832 East India.
Intriguing!