Henry Truman in South africa

[spinycactus]

hello there. in the 1871 census my ancestor Henry Truman Carpenter by trade and born approx 1831 is listed with his wife F age 26, son J age 14, daughter C age10, daughter F age 4, Son H age 2,and daughter MyA age 2 months. (yes the enumerator did not bother to note their names ?) F is obviously a second wife and the mother to the last three children.Daughter C age 10 is listed as born at the Cape of Good hope. So it seems that the family were in S africa in 1861 probably with a different wife . Can any body out there shed any light on this subject please. incidentally i cannot find them in the81,91,01, or the 1911 censuses

[Megan Roberts]

The Banns for the marriage of Henry Trueman and Fanny Clayton were read in St John the Baptist Hillingdon on 26 Nov 1865 – the marriage took place there 3 Dec 1865. His father’s name John Truman and hers William Clayton

1851 Census:
Aston, Warwickshire – lodger – joiner
Piece: 2062; Folio: 371; Page: 31

Death of a Henry Truman aged 43 registered at Potterspury, Northamptonshire

Fanny seems to have remarried in 1873 to a John Edward Perryman in Uxbridge, Middlesex

[Megan Roberts]

1841 Census
Piece 856 Book 5 Folio 17 Page No 26
He is living in Basford, Nottinghamshire with his parents and siblings.

Looking back to the 1871 Census and all those initials:
J Truman aged 14 – there are a number of possibles.
C Truman aged 10 ??
F. Truman aged 4 = Fanny. 1881 Census to be found living with her mother Fanny and stepfather in Hillingdon, Middlesex [Piece: 1331; Folio: 129; Page: 59]. She married Edward William Harland in Hillingdon 23 Jun 1883
H Truman aged 2 = Henry. 1881 Census as Fanny.
MA Truman = Mary Ann 1881 Census as Fanny. She married William Harry Levett 13 Oct 1888 in Hillingdon. Her father is described as Henry Truman a coach builder

Ancestry’s England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892 has a number of entries for a Henry Truman in the 1850s and 1860s and 3 of the entries are in Nottinghamshire. Unfortunately the records do not tell you how old the convicts were.

5 Jul 1855 sentenced to 6 months for larceny from the person
18 Oct 1859 sentenced to 6 months hard labour for Larceny from the person (2nd offence)
9 Jul 1861 sentenced to 3 years for larceny as a repeat offender.

If this was your chap it might be that you would have to look to the wife of “C” to work out why she was born in the Cape of Good Hope.

[geneius]

Henry Goddard TRUMAN + Clarissa BARKER q4 1854 Belper

Joshua Goddard TRUMAN b 1857 Aston

circa 1858 Henry, Clarissa and Joshua G aged 1 sailed as Aided Immigrants to South Arica: refereence books.google

Aided immigration from Britain to South Africa 1857 to 1867
Page 446: Snippet: Truman, Henry G. 29 Carpenter (cabinet maker IBC9) Mowbray Warwick Edward Oliver Sept. 58 Clarissa 33

a version on books.google mentions Joshua

Whilst in SA another son was born who sadly died:
Truman, John Joseph
Date Of Birth: 13 October 1858
Date Of Baptism: 04 December 1858
Abode: Patient in Somerset Hospital
Gender: Male
Father Name: Truman, Henry
Occupation Of Father: Joiner
Mother Name: , Clarissa
Church: St.Georges Cathedral Cape Town
Surname Of Minister: Lightfoot
First Name Of Minister: T.F.
Collection: St. Georges Cathedral Baptism 1849 - 1970
Notes: Deceased. Privately baptised
Entry Number: 2835
Page Number: 285
Source: Anglican Church Archives Wits University


I suspect the daughter s also Clarissa!

[geneius]

John TRUMAN + Elizabeth GODDARD married 23 Apr 1829 Radford,Nottingham,England

[Sue Mackay]

I have a copy of "Aided Immigration" and can confirm that the three who were listed as sailing on the Edward Oliver were
Henry G TRUMAN 29 carpenter
Clarissa 33
Joshua Goddard 1
They were listed as coming from Warwick and being bound for Mowbray, which is a suburb of Cape Town. The Edward Oliver left Liverpool on 9 July 1858 and arrived in Table Bay on 12 September.

The accommodation on board was very superior but there was an excessive amount of illness. 25 very ill patients were landed, of whom two men, one woman and five children died in hospital. The surgeon was accused of negligence and improper conduct and said "not to have been completely sober during the whole voyage". A group of Scots on board accused him of murder and asked for signatories to a petition. Most passengers felt the wording was too strong and the captain prevailed on them to make individual complaints to the board rather than submit a petition. Johnson was also accused of being so familiar with the girls that he "made part of the ship look like a brothel". He left the Cape with such "indecent haste" that an enquiry could not be held but complaints were referred to the CL & EC in London. The Captain, who had earned the respect and gratitude of the immigrants for seeing to their comfort and well being during the voyage, received a complimentary address and a handsome silver box....
From Aided Immigration from Britain to South Africa 1857-1867 by Esme Bull, page 27

[spinycactus]

thanks Sue Clarrissa was 8 months pregnant, it couldnt have beena very pleasant voyage ,Simon

[spinycactus]

thanks megan it is all good imformation

[spinycactus]

Thanks Geneius for both posts esp the marriage of Henrys parents

[geneius]

I suspect the daughter s also Clarissa!

I should know by now NOT to speculate...actually it was Caroline TRUMAN

Died June 1927
Probate £393 / 6 /11d
1911
17 Southey Street Nottingham
Still with TRUMAN John
1901
RG13 3185 95 12
h/hold TRUMAN JOhn b 1839 Old Basford Notts....

TRUMAN Caroline b 1861 Cape of Goad Hope, South Africa

1881
RG11 3366 31 24
2 Wellington Circus
h/hold Harriett E SMITH 1823
TRUMAN Caroline b 1861 Cape of Goad Hope, South Africa Gen Servant


Just cannot see on thew 1891 census

[spinycactus]

wow thanks geneius for more useful information Simon