View Full Version : Pariish Registers - St. Keverne 1750 to 1810
Colin Rowledge
09-12-2012, 12:57 AM
Obviously from my location in Canada, I cannot see originals and hvave in recent months bombarded the OPC. She is entitled to a life, particularly as we are heading into the festive season and probably has other responsibilties.
I am researching the Champion family and have stumbled over some matters that are hopelessly confusing to me
Is someone close enough to the Parish that is willing to assist me with lookups?
Colin
P.S.
I'll gladly post what I have found once I get some feeling about what help can be provided.
Pam Downes
09-12-2012, 3:03 AM
No reason why you can't look for yourself.
The parish registers for St Keverne are online at FamilySearch.
http://tinyurl.com/bsnwdc6
Scroll down to St Keverne Local History Society Podcasts at http://www.
st-keverne.com/history/
and click on downloads for indexed PRs plus loads of other stuff. Make sure you scroll to the bottom of the page.
Colin Rowledge
10-12-2012, 2:21 PM
With grateful thanks to Mark and Pam D. I spent the weekend searching my Champion family back to the sighting of 2 marriages which appears to be the start of the line from St. Keverne.
Marriage #1 was between Abel Champion & Jane John 26 November 1727
Marriage #2 was between Gabriel Champion & Mary Rice 20 November 1729
Gabriel appears to be from Ruan Minor and was baptised 23 June 1706 and was the son of Abel and Phillipa. I have yet to find a marriage or other baptisms for this couple.
As for Abel I have not been able to find anything prior to his marriage.
I would appreciate some assistance.
Thanks
Colin
geneius
10-12-2012, 2:38 PM
From familysearch
Abel Champion
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 23 Nov 1701 RUAN MINOR,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
parents: Abel Champion, Philippa
Gabriel Champion
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 23 Jun 1706 RUAN MINOR,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
parents: Abel Champion, Philipa
Jx
Colin Rowledge
10-12-2012, 2:45 PM
From familysearch
Abel Champion
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 23 Nov 1701 RUAN MINOR,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
parents: Abel Champion, Philippa
Gabriel Champion
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 23 Jun 1706 RUAN MINOR,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
parents: Abel Champion, Philipa
Jx
Thanks - vey much - that is Champion as I was hoping they were brothers.
I must have been going 'stir crazy' and missed that one.
Colin
Colin Rowledge
11-12-2012, 1:23 AM
From familysearch
Abel Champion
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 23 Nov 1701 RUAN MINOR,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
parents: Abel Champion, Philippa
Gabriel Champion
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 23 Jun 1706 RUAN MINOR,CORNWALL,ENGLAND
parents: Abel Champion, Philipa
Jx
So, I believe Abel and Gabriel were brothers.
I believe their father died in Ruan Minor and was buried 30 April 1752.
As I mentioned in post above, I have the marriages of both Abel and Gabriel.
Abel Chanpion
Had at least 3 children, Jane was bapt. 14 Sep. 1729 - George was bapt. 6 Feb. 1731 - and John was bapt. 23 Jun 1734.
Then the the trail ends for Abel and Jane!
Gabriel Champion
Had at least 5 children.. Samuel was bapt. 5 Jul. 1730 - Abel was bapt. 2 Jul. 1732 - Philippa bapt. 13 May 1733 - Thomasin bapt.bapt. 31 Mar. 1734 - John bapt. 25 May 1735
The father of Abel and Gabriel, died according to a burial record that I found, occurred in Ruan Minor 30 Apr. 1752.
Abel - see bapt. in 1732 - possibly married a Jane or Joan Smith in Ruan Minor on 3 Mar. 1755. They had 9 children - including Abel bapt. 22 Jan. 1765
I have found 2 burials in St. Keverne:
Abel Champion - no age - 18 April 1804 - noted in the rgister as Sr.
This, I believe, is the Abel, baptised 1 November 1731 and the son of Gabriel and Mary
The other is for:
Abel Champion- age 17 - 7 April 1810 - noted in the register as son of Abel.
This, I believe, is the grandson of George Champion, who married Jane George 14 Jan. 1759 and their son Abel was bapt. 10 April 1759. Abel then married Jane Johns in 1792.
So to me it seems logical that the Abel who died in April 1810 is their son.
Am I making sense?
Colin
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Hugh Thompson
11-12-2012, 11:13 AM
Hi Colin all these are from the IGI, all I could find anyway, I have St Kevernes PR from Phillimores in my other PC and I'll go through them tomorrow for you , not sure if I have Ruan Minor or not, I'll have a look at the surrounding parishes while I'm at it.
Hugh.
Baptisms
RUAN MINOR
All with father's name: Abel Champion. mother's name Philippa.
Loveday Champion 14 Aug 1697
Samuel Champion 23 Jul 1699
Abel Champion 23 Nov 1701
Daniel Champion 27 Feb 1703
Gabriel Champion 23 Jun 1706
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Hugh Thompson
11-12-2012, 11:23 PM
These are all the early ones I could find, there's a few more from later dates if needed.
Hugh.
Marriages St Keverne.
James Hallegy & Loveday Champion 29 May 1725
Abel Champion & Jane John 26 Nov 1727
Daniel Champion & Elizabeth Potter 14 June 1728
Samuel Champion & Mary Saul 27 Oct 1728
Gabriel Champion & Mary Rice 20 Nov 1729
Gabriel Champion & Mary Keverne 28 July 1741
Gabriel Champion & Elizabeth Cliff 17 Feb 1754
George Champion & Jane George 14 Jan 1759
Daniel Champion & Elizabeth Morrish 3 Feb 1766
John Williams & Dorothy Champion 16 Apr 1768
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Colin Rowledge
12-12-2012, 12:51 AM
Thank you, so very much, Hugh for your efforts. Some I had found, but others not.
This will certainly help me as I proceed forward.
Do you want me to add to this thread or send a p/m with questions?
Cheers
Colin
Hugh Thompson
12-12-2012, 1:37 AM
You're welcome Colin, just add it to this thread if you want.
Hugh.
Colin Rowledge
12-12-2012, 3:24 PM
Do you ever have a 'feeling' that something is wrong but you just can resolve it?
I have a Jane Champion baptised in St. Keverne 13 September 1795. She was the daughter of Abel and Jane formerly Johns who were married in St. Keverne on 14 October 1792.
In my tree I have Thomas Ball baptised in St. Keverne 5 July 1789. A marriage between Thomas Ball and Jane Champion in St. Keverne on 27 October 1811. This would indicate that Thomas was about 22 and Jane about 16. I have not found any baptisms of children for this couple which seems odd!!!
In a tree found on Ancestry, a Jane Champion married John Rule in St. Keverne on 8 July 1815. That tree states parents of Jane were Abel and Jane formerly Johns. They had at least 3 children - not noted on that tree - but I found records of baptisms for between 31 December 1815 and 17 September 1820. This certainly seems to make sense.
Searching burial records in St. Keverne for a Jane Ball and Thomas Ball between 1800 and 1857 has only thrown up the following:
Jane Ball age 65 died and was buried 13 August 1831. She is stated in the record as widow of Thomas, a Pauper and her residence was Churchtown.
Thomas Ball age 72 died and was buried 17 December 1832. He is stated in the record as a Pauper and his residence was Pennare.
While there is a 7 year age difference, which matches the age difference from the marriage in 1811 the rest is inconsistent. If I am correct then Jane should be about 36 and Thomas about 43.
Apart from errors in the Parish register, or that one of the trees [possibly mine] is wrong, how do I resolve this?
Colin
Coromandel
12-12-2012, 3:55 PM
I doubt if the parish register would give ages that were 30 years out.
Perhaps there was another, older, couple called Thomas & Jane who happened to have the same age gap between them? FamilySearch has a Thomas Ball marrying Jane Cornelius in St Keverne in 1793, for example (I haven't checked to see if there are possible baptisms to match the ages at death).
That leaves the question of why you can't find another Thomas & Jane buried in St Keverne. There are numerous possible explanations, such as the parish registers not being fully transcribed for the period in question, or Thomas & Jane moving away from St Keverne.
Another possibility to check is whether the marriage between Thomas Ball & Jane Champion went ahead: have you found the marriage itself, or just banns?
Re. the Jane Champion who married John Rule, do you know when she died? If so, is her age at death consistent with her being the daughter of Abel? If not, is there another Jane Champion around?
Sorry, Colin, more questions than answers.:)
Coromandel
12-12-2012, 4:00 PM
Another possibility to check is whether the marriage between Thomas Ball & Jane Champion went ahead: have you found the marriage itself, or just banns?
Well there certainly is a marriage entry for them:
https://
familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11831-117709-81?cc=1769414&wc=MMVH-VRH:2016021239
so that's one theory out of the window.
Colin Rowledge
12-12-2012, 4:07 PM
Well there certainly is a marriage entry for them:
https://
familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-11831-117709-81?cc=1769414&wc=MMVH-VRH:2016021239
so that's one theory out of the window.
Yes, the marriage entry is from Pallot's and certainly appears to have taken place.
Colin Rowledge
12-12-2012, 4:14 PM
There is also another Jane Champion the daughter of John and Elizabeth, formerly Michell who was baptised 6 October 1765. This certainly matches the age in 1831 but I have yet to find a marriage for her.
Colin Rowledge
13-12-2012, 2:20 PM
Re. the Jane Champion who married John Rule, do you know when she died? If so, is her age at death consistent with her being the daughter of Abel? If not, is there another Jane Champion around?
Found Jane in 1841 census living with John and daughter, Elizabeth, who was baptised 17 September 1820, as well as some younger children and living in Falmouth. John was a Fisherman. In 1851 she is now a widow, still living in Falmouth and no children at home.
A possible sighting of a Jane Rule is in the 1871 census at the Falmouth Union Workhouse - she is a Pauper, born Coverack, aged 77 and a Charwoman.
I cannot find a logical person to fit the description of Jane in 1861 census, nor a death registration.
There are 2 burials in the 1870's for a Jane Rule in St. Keverne, but the ages don't tally with a birth in 1793 and as well neither indicates her as the widow of John Rule.
Colin
Colin Rowledge
13-12-2012, 3:42 PM
Perhaps there was another, older, couple called Thomas & Jane who happened to have the same age gap between them? FamilySearch has a Thomas Ball marrying Jane Cornelius in St Keverne in 1793, for example (I haven't checked to see if there are possible baptisms to match the ages at death).
The marriage between Thomas and Jane Cornelius - 12 November 1793 - from both Family Search and Cornwall OPC for St. Keverne indicates that the surname of the Groom was either Bale or Ball. Family Search has both whereas Cornwall OPC has just Bale.
Have found no baptisms between 1793 and 1800 that fit either surname for the father
Colin
Colin Rowledge
14-12-2012, 3:53 PM
Coming back to the marriage of Thomas Ball and Jane Champion in 1811, I think I may have solved the problem. I think they were both widowed when they married.
I have more researching to do, after I come back from a Doctor's appointment and will provide an update.
Colin
Colin Rowledge
14-12-2012, 7:12 PM
Coming back to the marriage of Thomas Ball and Jane Champion in 1811, I think I may have solved the problem. I think they were both widowed when they married.
I have more researching to do, after I come back from a Doctor's appointment and will provide an update.
Colin
Well, so far, no joy with a widow Jane Champion. Trying to figure out who else could be in the mix, given the number of Champion's and the naming of children is frustrating, to say the least.
Colin Rowledge
14-12-2012, 10:38 PM
After setting up a tree with 73 Champion's in it, I think - hope and pray - that the Jane Champion I found who married a Thomas Ball makes sense.
After all the work that several members did on my behalf, is there any interest in how it has been resolved - hopefully?
Colin
scallyhead
15-12-2012, 10:02 PM
Can I ask what may be a related question?
I have a James Champion Conway, born in Falmouth in 1800. His parents are John Conway and Jane McDowell. Is there any chance they are related to your Champions fron St. Keverne?
Glyn Scally
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