Lawton and Hopwood

[IreneH]

First time post on this forum - should have posted here yesterday but stuck it on the Lincolnshire forum instead which will have earned me a slap on the hand from Rob. :(

The names I interested in are Lawton and Hopwood. My Ggrandfather was John Lawton b. 1835 I'm having trouble figureing out just where he was born as each census gives a differant place and county .
1871 and 1881 says Dukinfield Cheshire, 1881 Stalybridge Cheshire, 1891 is Stalybridge Lancashire and 1901 is Saddleworth Yorkshire :confused:

Irene

[DebbieAnn]

On FreeBMD, there is a marriage listed between John Lawton and Lettice Hopwood in December Quarter of 1858 in Ashton (aka: Ashton-Under-Lyne), Cheshire. Perhaps if you could get hold of the certificate (or have someone look it up for you) you could get John's correct place of birth.

Debbie

[uksearch]

It is also on the cheshirebmd site which give the information that the marriage took place at St Michael's Mottram in Longdendale.Films of these PRs is held here at MCL, so providing that it is readable I'll give you the details tomorrow.

UK

[IreneH]

uksearch that would be fantastic. I had found the marriage year but not where. Will it show his real birth place to? I gather the bounderies of the counties and towns in this area change for political reasons - Suprise! Suprise! As someone else commented - its hard enough to find these people without the names of towns and counties every 10yrs or so for political reasons. I didn't know there a Cheshire BMD site. Can you flick me that to please.

Irene

[DebbieAnn]

Here you go:

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk/

Debbie

[IreneH]

Thanks DebbieAnn - having a little play instead of working!

[uksearch]

1858 Marriage Solemnized at the Parish Church of Mottram in Langdendale in the County of Chester Nov 28th.
John LAWTON, 23, Bachelor, Spinner, Staley. Father, George LAWTON, Spinner &
Lettice HOPWOOD, 23, Spinster, Weaver, Staley. Father, Henry HOPWOOD, Weaver. Married...after Banns...John signed, Lettice marked. Witnesses Richard NUTTALL (serial witness probably a Church Official) & Henry BURGESS (marked).

UK

[uksearch]

The names I interested in are Lawton and Hopwood. My Ggrandfather was John Lawton b. 1835 I'm having trouble figureing out just where he was born as each census gives a differant place and county .
1871 and 1881 says Dukinfield Cheshire, 1881 Stalybridge Cheshire, 1891 is Stalybridge Lancashire and 1901 is Saddleworth Yorkshire :confused:

Irene
He at RG 9 3005 folio 95 in 1861.It gives his birthplace as Stalybridge.Dukinfield is next door to Stalybridge so I think the chances are that he was not a Yorkshireman.

UK

[IreneH]

uk, you're a genius. You've given me John's fathers name which I didn't have till now! Ok! More questions. Is Mottram in Longdendale the name of the town or is Mottram part of the name of the church. i.e St Michael's Mottrum, in the town of Longdendale or is it St Michael's, in the town of Mottrum in Longdedale? Sorry if that sounds like a real dumb question?
Chester and Cheshire are the same county are they not? Is there a site that has photos and infomation on the Cheshire churches?

Irene

[DebbieAnn]

This should help:

http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/chs/mottram.htm

and this:

http://www.moston.org/churches.html

(just remember if you use the photo, to acknowledge the source).

Debbie

[uksearch]

I was wondering when this would turn up.

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Chester and Cheshire are the same county are they not?
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Yes they are.If you look at the following link,although it deals with more modern times is will give an idea of how complex the explanation is.

http://www.abcounties.co.uk.counties/confusion.htm (http://www.abcounties.co.uk.counties/confusion.htm)

UK

[IreneH]

Sorry uk, link won't open! Drat it!!

[uksearch]

It will not open for me now.Try the following link

http://www.abcounties.co.uk/ (http://www.abcounties.co.uk/)

and click onto FAQs and get to confusion that way.

UK

[IreneH]

Oh Help! This is too much for my tiny brain - I don't think I should have asked that last question uk!

Irene