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Sheleen
09-07-2005, 7:22 PM
Due to my nans death this week, I have access to many documents and photo's... including my grandfathers New Testament - Active Service Edition.
dated 23/12/39 it lists his name, rank, number, and unit.
Before his death last year, my grandfather often told his war-stories... and although I knew war was horrific for him (as it was for most), I was more proud than ever I could say, that he was such a hero. Yet I believe he wasn't a decorated hero.
I smile when I recall the tale of a specialist troop, sent to shoot down german parachutists... accidentally killing a farmers prize bull and spattering his wife's washing with bulls blood (they mistook the bull and washing for a parachutist bent over gathering his 'chute).
I shudder at the story of how this same specialist troop was sent to an underground bunker, to kill the officers gathered there...only to find that they had all been killed already - nobody knew who had done this.
My mother still keeps the cross carved from a crashed warplane's cockpit-window.
I know that nomatter how many times I hear and read that WWII was 'a good war', in reality it was a bloody and horror-filled time, filled with loss and sadness for many. Yet this New testament is so well looked after - it looks almost as new. Inside, the first page reads:
A MESSAGE FROM HIS MAJESTY THE KING

"To all serving in my Forces by sea or land, or in the air, and indeed, to all my people engaged in the defence of the Realm, I commend the reading of this book. For centuries the Bible has been a wholesome and strengthening influence in our national life, and it behoves us in these momentous days to turn with renewed faith to this Divine source of comfort and inspiration."

I would dearly love to know more of what my grandfathers duties were during the war... yet have found nothing online ... could this be because of the 'specialist troop' status? Is there somewhere could write to for further information at all?
Any information gratefully recieved.

Geoffers
09-07-2005, 8:07 PM
Due to my nans death this week, I have access to many documents and photo's... including my grandfathers New Testament - Active Service Edition.
dated 23/12/39 it lists his name, rank, number, and unit.

I would dearly love to know more of what my grandfathers duties were during the war... yet have found nothing online ...
The MoD web-site shows deatils of how to obtain service records
http://www.mod.uk/aboutus/military/records/army.htm

In which unit did he serve and what was his rank?

Geoffers

Sheleen
09-07-2005, 9:10 PM
The information at the front of the book is listed as:
Gnr (this means 'Gunner', I presumed) and my grandfathers name E Lee
1518163
Unit: D Specialist Troop
B/208/A.A.T.R./R.A.

I have no idea whatsoever as to what these mean... I am interested in finding out more about both WWI and WWII. but of all the books I have looked into and websites I have visited, none really 'grab' me. I guess I'm more interested in personal experiences and how they relate to the facts, rather than the specific whys and wherefores... and I'll freely admit that that in itself may make me appear a bit more than 'blonde' (as my children are so fond of telling me), but I can relate better to the more personal side of things :)

Geoffers
09-07-2005, 10:28 PM
Gnr (this means 'Gunner', I presumed) and my grandfathers name E Lee
1518163
Unit: D Specialist Troop
B/208/A.A.T.R./R.A.
R.A. is Royal Artillery
AATR - I think is an Anti-Aircrcaft unit.

Geoffers

AnnB
10-07-2005, 10:56 AM
I am interested in finding out more about both WWI and WWII. but of all the books I have looked into and websites I have visited, none really 'grab' me. I guess I'm more interested in personal experiences and how they relate to the facts, rather than the specific whys and wherefores... and I'll freely admit that that in itself may make me appear a bit more than 'blonde' (as my children are so fond of telling me), but I can relate better to the more personal side of things :)
In that case you might find the part of the BBC web site called WW2 The People's War interesting. You'll find it at http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/ww2/ The main site about WW2 at http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/ is also full of information :)
Best wishes
Ann

BeeE586
10-07-2005, 11:36 AM
My thanks to contributors to this thread, and for details of websites. Through following links I discovered the Long Range Desert Group Preservation Society - no idea such a thing existed. My husband was a member of this group in North Africa but spoke little of his experiences, other than a slightly facetious remark "we nearly captured Rommel." Perhaps I will find out if it was true.

Eileen

coenmfam
12-07-2005, 7:23 AM
I think ....
and I may be corrected on this ( gulp )
but I think the Long Range Desert group was the forerunner
to todays British SAS

Neville

BeeE586
12-07-2005, 2:30 PM
Neville - from what I have read on the website so far, there was certainly some connection between LRDG and SAS. The LRDG operated behind enemy lines in the desert, and after 1943 when the desert fighting was ending the powers that be would have to find something equally heroic and dangerous for those lads to do. My husband joined the Parachute Regiment and later fought in Italy. LRDG were known as the 'bearded brigands' - away from camp water was too precious to be wasted on washing and shaving !! Anyone interested, enter LRDG as a search and read all about it.

Eileen

coenmfam
14-07-2005, 1:33 AM
Here are a few links for anyone interested

http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/specfor/LRDG.htm

http://www.lrdg.de/main.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Desert_Group

http://blindkat.hegewisch.net/lrdg/lrdg.html

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/long_range_desert_group.htm

And I hope this link works properly

http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/name-011342.html

and some interesting letters between generals
http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2-1Doc-c15.html

Neville

BeeE586
14-07-2005, 10:46 AM
Neville - thank you for the information, it is only a couple of days ago that I started looking into this. I met my husband just after his demob. in 1946 and he spoke little about his time in the desert, other than it was 'hard' - my son and grandsons are also keen to know about what happened.

Eileen