ELDRIDGE and TUCK

[corpios]

I have been trying to trace my family history but have become a bit stuck with the following info on Jabez TUCK im not sure if he wed once or twice he was born in 1815 and was a printer in london any help would be great many thanks

[olliecat]

I have been trying to trace my family history but have become a bit stuck with the following info on Jabez TUCK im not sure if he wed once or twice he was born in 1815 and was a printer in london any help would be great many thanks

Hi and welcome. :smile5:

I love the name Jabez Tuck, so I couldn't resist a quick look for him in the census. So far, I see him with a wife Mary in the 1851 to 1871 census and it looks like he died in 1884. Why do you think he may have married twice

[corpios]

hi thankyou for replying and looking for me its very good of you i think he wed twice as i have found out that in 1866 he wed an lady called anne ELDRIDGE but he had many children by this time and as you have seen in the cencus 1851 to 1861 his wife is called Mary so im a bit confused

[Mutley]

The Jabez Tuck that married Anne Eldrige was a bachelor, he was of full age (meaning over 21) and he was a Printer.
His father was William Tuck deceased.

He may not have been the same Jabez Tuck that was married to Mary there are more than one of them.
I'll have a look for further......

[Richard1955]

Your absolutely right.
Jabez Tuck married either Anne Eldridge or Jane Browning
Dec Qtr 1866. Pancras 1b 89

[Mutley]

The Jabez Tuck that died in 1884 left a will.
He was formerly of 6 Union Court, Old Broad Street,
late of 60 St. Mary Axe, both in the City of London.
He died at 69 Darville Road, Stoke Newington in 1884,
He was a printer.

Executor, William Henry Tuck, son.

Maybe you can line this fellow up in the census as the husband of Annie or Mary?

[corpios]

Thankyou im still lost so sorry to be a pain;( could you tell me the name of Anne Eldridge;s father ?

[geneius]

Hello

The father of Ann ELDRIDGE of St Leonards on Sea SUssex is Stephen ELDRIDGE a Cab Inspector

Jabex TUCK's father is William and recorded as deceased

geneius

Courtsey TNA

[Mutley]

The Jabez in the 61 and 71 census at All Hallows with Mary is the same one that died in 1884.
The Old Broad Street address is the same.

[olliecat]

The Jabez Tuck that died in 1884 left a will.
He was formerly of 6 Union Court, Old Broad Street,


Duh! Been trying to find him in 1881. He's enumerated as LUCK on FMP and Anc.

1881: RG11 Piece: 381 Folio: 9 Page: 11 (crown copyright, care of the TNA)
At 6 Union Court, Allhallows London Wall
TUCK, Jabez, head, wid, 66, Statr & Printer, Cambridgeshire
TUCK, William N [H?], son, 46? [16?], Assist, Middlesex
WELSH, Julia, servant, 38, Gen Dom Serv, York

[corpios]

To all the people who have helped me many thanks im going to ask a big big favor now ....... i have up untill 6weeks ago thought that i came from a long line of Eldridges then i was informed that in fact it was Tucks and i started to try and work out what i had been told if i tell you some info on my history could you unravel it for me .My grandad was Albert Alfred ELDRIDGE 1909 guilford his father Alfred....... BUT here is the STRANGE thing i know he wed twice once to Maria Cripps who passed away she was my grt gran and then he married Hannah Huges in 1915 calling himself ELDRIDGE all this is fact then im told he was born alfredTUCK and that he was already married when he wed Maria this wife being another Hannah but surname Wilkins she died in1937 and means he was a bigamist who changed his name i think he had in the region of 19 children would someone take on the masssive task of confirming this for me as im stuck i will be honest i cant afford to buy numerous birth death and wed certs and i have been trying to piece bits and bobs together i dont find it straight forward it keeps springing up things many thanks louise

[Mutley]

I have a feeling that.....
Jabez and Mary in the census are the same couple that married in 1866.
Mary is listed at the baptism of their first daughter, Sophia Felicia on the 16 May 1847 as Mary Anne.
They lived in Clapham and Jabez was a Stationer.

I think they just decided to tie the knot later than expected. :smile5:

[geneius]

Have a look at the site http://www. london-gazette.co.uk. There are numerous entry's for Jabez TUCK 1815 -1884 over the years.

You may notice that his will was proved soon after he died where it is suggest he left in excess of £7800, there is a notice posted in the paper in respect of this, a later will posting suggests he left £700, he MUST have had a lot of debts!

[Mutley]

To all the people who have helped me many thanks im going to ask a big big favor now ....... My grandad was Albert Alfred ELDRIDGE 1909 guilford his father Alfred....... many thanks louise

Welcome to the forum Louise. Maybe we should all start at the beginning with Albert... :smile5:

Albert Eldridge born 1909 in Guildford, Surrey.
Parents Alfred Albert born 1858 in the City of London and Maria born 1869 in Berkshire.
Now to find their marriage.......

[corpios]

SORRY!

[olliecat]

Do you have any certificates Louisa, such as your grandad Albert's marriage certificate or his birth certificate?

There is an Albert Eldridge born 1909 in Guildford in the 1911 census. I think he may be the correct Albert, but do you have access to the 1911 census since we can't post the details due to copyright. The census ref is ...

1911: RG14/3107 SN337

And a possible marriage for Albert's father ...

Marriages Mar 1896 Farnham 2a 160
Cripps Marie
Eldridge Alfred Albert
Findlay John Saunders W
Montgomery Jane Wallace

If Alfred changed his name from Tuck to Eldgridge, then it may get trickier.

Are you keeping this in the same thread Mutley?

[olliecat]

The Alfred Albert Eldridge in the 1911 census is in the 1901 census in Wiltshire.

1901: RG13 Piece: 1952 Folio: 90 Page: 26 (crown copyright, care of the TNA)
9 York Road, Fisherton Anger Within, Salisbury
ELDRIDGE, Alfred A, head, 4,3 Military Photographer, Allhallows E C London
ELDRIDGE, Maria, wife, 32, Leverton Berkshire
ELDRIDGE, Laura, dau, 13 [3?], No Occ, Ifracombe Devonshire
ELDRIDGE, Ivy E, dua, 4, Farnborough Hampshire
ELDRIDGE, Edward C, son, 2, Farnborough Hampshire

[corpios]

Yes i do have 1 with him on i have my grandad alberts birth cert alfred is listed as father of 2 connaught rd woking and i know this is correct as it belongs to my mum she has had it for many years and sorry no access i found things tricky aswell you can give up if you want i know im asking alot best wishes louise

[geneius]

I know I appear to have leap frogged, but I notice there is a child b 1903 John Jabez ELDRIDGE,

1861 census for Jabez TUCK has a child Alfred Albert TUCK aged 3 b All Hallows, coincidence?

Just need to bridge 1861 - 1901 for this guy now!

[olliecat]

you can give up if you want i know im asking alot best wishes louise

Why would we want to give up, (not yet anyway)? :smile5: Don't worry about asking - people on this forum like trying to trace and figure out those tricky ancestors.
Looks like genius has found a good lead to follow.

[geneius]

Beats watching the Sport and footy on TV!

Marriage
Bethnal Green St John
4 August 1879
Alfred Albert TUCK Bach 21 Stationer s/o Jabez TUCK Stationer
Hannah Elizabeth WILKINS 22 sp d/o Frederick WILKINS deceased egg merchant
both signed
witnesses: ?Robert?WITTERWICK: Susannah WITTERWICK

courtsey & copyright TNA oops!

[Mutley]

Do you have any certificates Louisa, such as your grandad Albert's marriage certificate or his birth certificate?

Are you keeping this in the same thread Mutley?

I think I had better, we know we have to work back from Albert and finally connect to Jabez
but should anyone wish changes made, I am quite amenable. :smile5:

[corpios]

I dont know how many times i can say thankyou i dont know what else to say so im saying it again thankyou it means alot to me this is very good of you all i worried as it is looking like he was agamist what a holy show

[geneius]

1881 census
RG11 276 116 32
104 Moray Road Islington

TUCK Alfred 21 Artist Photographer City
TUCK Hannah E 24 Whitechapel
TUCK Albert f 15 months Hackney

courtsey & Copyright TNA

[olliecat]

1881: RG11 Piece: 276 Folio: 116 Page: 32 (crown copyright, care of the TNA)
104, Moray Rd, Islington
TUCK, Alfred A, Head 21, Artist Photographic Colourer, (City) Middlesex
TUCK, Hannah E, Wife, 24, Whitechapel Middlesex
TUCK, Albert F Son, 1, Hackney Middlesex

Now to find him in the next census

[Mutley]

Beats watching the Sport and footy on TV!

Marriage
Bethnal Green St John
4 August 1879
Alfred Albert TUCK Bach 21 Stationer s/o Jabez TUCK Stationer
Hannah Elizabeth WILKINS 22 sp d/o Frederick WILKINS deceased egg merchant
both signed
witnesses: ?Robert?WITTERWICK: Susannah WITTERWICK

courtsey & copyright TNA oops!

That is a good one, geneius
we have Alfred in 1911 with Maria and kids (as Albert's parents),
we have him in 1901 with Maria and same kids prior to Albert's birth,
we have him in 1881, with Hannah and their son Albert F. born 1880,
we have him in 1879 marrying Hannah, his father is Jabez
now where the hell is he in 1891?

[corpios]

im very excited this is wonderfull

[geneius]

1891 census
RG12 1059 75 6 (courtsey & Copyright TNA )
Hornsey
TUCK Hannah E widow 33 Packer & sorter Whitechapel
TUCK Charles 9 Hornsey
TUCK Henry 7 Waltham stowe
TUCK Edith 5 Tottenham
TUCK Julia 3 Wood green
Jones Ann servant

[corpios]

oh being as she is a widow wouldnt that mean he died ? im lost again im so sorry

[Mutley]

Sorry, I have to go to bed and leave you all to it for tonight.
Good Luck.

P.S. The Alfred we have found is a photographer, what was the occupation of Albert's dad on the birth certificate you have Louise?

[corpios]

yes he is a photographer goodnight many thanks for all your work bless you best wishes louise

[geneius]

Interesting

1901 Hannah TUCK and ALL the children are at RG1257 162 7, that's the 4 children on the 1891 census + Albert F from the 1881 census....... so where was he in 1891?

Alfred Albert missing 1871 and 1891

[corpios]

Im going to let you all get some sleep id like to say a huge thankyou im so glad to have met you so to speak your help has been AMAZING i have learnt so much bless you all louise x

[geneius]

I am off to bed now, my pleasure, hopefully someone will find the missing bits and it will be there when we open up tomorrow, well later today

night geneius

[anamarja]

As an interesting sideline, the 1901 also has an Alfred A. Tuck, 35, Lithographic Printer, living in Norfolk with his wife Emma, 32 at 122 Cambridge Street, Heigham, Norwich.
RG13/1845/F139, p. 275. (census records held by TNA. Crown Copyright). This is the complete household. Scratch this - just checked freeBMD - he WAS born in Norwich in 1866 - just thought the profession was interesting an interesting link with Jabez.

[Coromandel]

I've come to this thread very late and haven't got my head round it yet! Well done for all the work that's been going on through the night.

There's a website dedicated to Eldridge family research, at http:// users.hunterlink.net.au/~ddrge/genealogy/families.html

It gives details of Alfred Albert's marriage:
'Alfred Albert Eldridge was shown as a bachelor artist aged 37 son of Jabez Eldridge, deceased when he married on 4 Feb 1896 at the Trinity Baptist Chapel in the District of Farnham.'

The fact that the author says 'No record of Alfred prior to his marriage or for his father has been found' combined with the father's name Jabez is I think pretty strong evidence that this was indeed the same person as A.A. Tuck son of Jabez Tuck. Excellent detective work, everyone!:detective:

[geneius]

Morning,

Yes anamarja has contributed, thank you!

Slowly we are getting there!

MARRIAGES
ST Giles Camberwell
7 August 1904
Henry Thomas TUCK bach 5 Beachfield Road A;ferd Albert TUCK Stationer

St Andrew Alexander Park
4Sept 1907
Charles Jabez TUCK 25 bach clerk 5 beachfield Road Finsbury Park Alfred Albert TUCK deceased
Catherine HEATHER

One of the witnesses Alfred F TUCK

[Coromandel]

According to censuses, Alfred Albert ELDRIDGE was born about 1857, which would be several years before the 1866 marriage of his parents Jabez Tuck and Ann Eldridge. So strictly speaking you'd think he would have his birth registered as Eldridge. But I presume he is the Alfred Albert TUCK whose birth was registered Q3 1858, London City. His parents evidently considered themselves married.

The fact that he gave his father as Jabez ELDRIDGE on one of his marriage certificates does complicate things slightly though!

[corpios]

Good morning sorry for keeping people up last night this morning i have been going over things and i think i may have worked out the following but would love somebody to let me know if im correct yesterdays post from olliecat at 1101pm listed jabez as a widow living with his son and a servent but i know he wed in 18866 to ann Eldridge so maybe he was wed twice im now wondering about my grt grandad alfred who seems to me now to have no link to eldridge if she is his second wife this is upsetting me as i bear the name eldridge or am i wrong any help would be gratefull louise x

[Coromandel]

Hello corpios
So far (I think I'm correct in saying!) we seem to have found only one wife for Jabez, who is sometimes called Mary and sometimes Mary Ann and sometimes Ann. Though at least some of their children had their births registered as Tuck and were baptised as Tuck, in fact it seems that Jabez and (Mary) Ann didn't get around to marrying until 1866.

I don't think Alfred Albert would have sometimes used the name Eldridge if it wasn't a family name, so I think it most likely that he was Ann Eldridge's son (and Jabez Tuck's!) but born before they married. And perhaps the same went for his older siblings too.

One way of perhaps confirming this is to look for the children of Stephen Eldridge, cab inspector (that's the details Ann gave for her father when she married). I think this is probably him in Hastings in 1851:
HO 107/1635, f.564 (census Crown copyright, in care of TNA)
Stephen Eldridge, 45, fly proprietor, born Battle, Sussex
with wife Elizabeth, 42 (b. Ewhurst)
and children Emma (20, b. Battle), Susan (18?, b. St Leonards) and Stephen (12, b. St Leonards), plus a servant (fly driver) living in.

The question is, did he also have a daughter Ann, or Mary Ann, of the right age to be the one who married Jabez Tuck?

[corpios]

Dear coromanal ( I THINK I SHOULD START ADDRESSING YOU INDIVIUALY) that was interesting could you have a lo0ks at the post by olliecat at 11 pm last night on this thread as he found jabez to be a widow in 1881 he was 66 then and lived with his son at 6 union court all hallows so im wondering about his marriage in 1866 thanks lou

[Coromandel]

Hello again Lou

It may (or may not) help untangle things if I try and write out a little "time line":

1840s? Jabez Tuck and Mary (probably Mary Ann Eldridge though we don't know this for sure yet) get together; first known child baptised 1847
1851 census: I haven't checked the details but if I remember rightly what others have said, Jabez is with a wife Mary
1858: Alfred Albert Eldridge (or Tuck) born
1861: he is listed as Alfred Tuck on the census I think
1866: Jabez Tuck marries Ann Eldridge (probably the same woman he has been with for 20 years?)
1871: census still shows Jabez and "Mary" according to one of the posts above
sometime between 1871 and 1881, Jabez's wife dies
1881 census: Jabez now a widower
1884: Jabez Tuck died

I hope that makes more sense now!

[corpios]

Dear A fountain of knowledge i love the time line it does help i have to go out now so many thanks for your and every body elses hard work this morning best wishes lou x

[Coromandel]

Maybe Jabez had two different wives after all?

According to census transcripts at http://www. genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/tuck/thread/1258627,

in 1851 his wife Mary (26) is shown as born Catsfield Kent
in 1861 his wife Mary Ann (32) is shown as born Hastings
in 1871 his wife Mary Ann (47) is shown as born Battle

The last two may well be the same person (despite the age difference), but doesn't the 1851 Mary sounds like a different person?

And if (Mary?) Ann Eldridge wasn't with Jabez in 1851, where was she?

[Coromandel]

This family on the 1891 census has been bugging me: enough similiarities to Alfred Albert Eldridge to make me think it could be him, but enough differences to keep me doubting:

RG 12/897, f.118 (I failed to copy down the address, sorry!)
Albert Eldridge, head, 32, photographic artist, born Boughton under Blean, Kent
Moriah Eldridge, wife, 27, born Marden, Kent
Louisa A.B. Eldridge, dau., 2, b. Ilfracombe, Devon
Edgar H. Eldridge, son, 1, b. Sandown, Isle of Wight
Richard I.B. Eldridge, son, 2 mo., b. Freshwater, Isle of Wight

pro: right job, right sort of age, with wife who could be Maria, and a daughter born in Ilfracombe (compare with 'Laura' in 1901)
con: wrong birthplaces for Albert & Maria; though Alfred Eldridge had middle name Albert we haven't previously found him calling himself Albert.

The two little boys are

Edgar Harold B. Eldridge (birth registered Q4 1889, Isle of Wight district)
Richard Iden B. Eldridge (birth registered Q1 1891, Isle of Wight district)

Sadly they both died very young: Edgar aged 4 and Richard aged 2, both deaths registered in the Maidstone district, Q4 1893.

If this is a different family, we should be able to find them on other censuses...

[Coromandel]

From the Abney Park Cemetery index, http://www. devsys.co.uk/ap/

Grave location: C06
Sophia Felicia Manton (aged 29), of 6 Union Court, Old Broad Road (1846-1875) bur. 23 Nov 1875
Ann Tuck (aged 54) of 10 Union Court, Old Broad Street, City (1824-1878) bur. 7 Feb 1878
Jabez Tuck (aged 70) of 69 Darville Road, West Hackney (1814-1884), bur. 25 Feb 1884
John George Manton (aged 57) of Grenville, Billericay, Essex (1850-1907), bur. 27 May 1907

Grave location: D06
Arthur Wellington Tuck (aged 54m[onths]) (1852-1856) bur. 29 Nov 1856
Sarah H. Tuck (aged 12) (1854-1866) bur. 13 April 1866
John Frank Tuck (aged 4) (1867-1871) bur. 18 Feb 1871
Isabella Emma Tuck (aged 23) (1848-1871) bur. 10 May 1871
William Isaac Jones (aged 24) (1848-1872), bur. 17 Aug 1872

So we have a death date for Ann Tuck (1878) and various other bits of the jigsaw. Looks like John George Manton (who later married Laura H. Tuck) may previously have been married to her sister Sophia.

[geneius]

I have the baptisms of the following:

Southwark Christ Church
Isabella Emma b 23/11/1848 bp 18/03/1849 d/o Jabez & mary Ann bookseller

Clapham Holy Trinity
Sophia Feliicia b23/2/1847 bp 16/05/1847 d/o Jabez & Mary Ann Clapham Stationer

All Hallows
Clara Ann b 09/01/1856 bp 25/02/1872 d/oJabez & Mary Ann 6 Union Court Stationer ( Adult christening)

courtsey & copyright TNA

[Mutley]

Maybe Jabez had two different wives after all?

According to census transcripts at http://www. genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/tuck/thread/1258627,

in 1851 his wife Mary (26) is shown as born Catsfield Kent
in 1861 his wife Mary Ann (32) is shown as born Hastings
in 1871 his wife Mary Ann (47) is shown as born Battle

The last two may well be the same person (despite the age difference), but doesn't the 1851 Mary sounds like a different person?

And if (Mary?) Ann Eldridge wasn't with Jabez in 1851, where was she?

Anne Eldridge
Born abt 1824 was Christened on 14 Mar 1824
at Catsfield, Sussex,
Father Stephen Eldridge, Mother Emma
An 1824 birth lines up with the death date and age of the burial of Ann found earlier.

[corpios]

Good evening every body hope everyone is ok and you all have had a good day i did pop in earlier and have a look and im very pleased i have not been abandoned by you, this is proving so so so difficult are there many like me ? i see a lot of young deaths on coromandals post how sad im writing all the info down trying to keep up to date lou x

[Mutley]

Good evening Lou,
I have spent a lot of time this evening, without much luck, trying to find the Annie Eldridge with parents Stephen and Emma in the 1841 census.
I would really like to tie her in with the Stephen and Elizabeth, children Emma 1831, Susan 1836 and Stephen 1839 that are in Hastings in the 1951 census.

Do you have access to the census?

[corpios]

Good evening Mutley im sorry to say i have no access to the cencus and im sorry you have spent a long time on me now please feel free to help someone else im feeling like a pain and i dont want to be, you and every body have been so helpfull already i have learnt so much and im so gratefull i would never have thought that people on this site would be so clever and so helpfull to me but you all have all the very best to you i hope your next case is an easy one many thanks lou x

[geneius]

2 cases involving Jabez TUCK

1) http:// www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18430130-name-1279&div=t18430130-808#highlight

2) http:// www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18730303-name-152&div=t18730303-246#highlight

[geneius]

Timeline for Alfred Albert TUCK

1858: Alfred Albert Eldridge (or Tuck) born
1861: he is listed as Alfred Tuck on the census I think: from Coromandel
1871: Pupil at ?? House Academy Boughton Kent RG10 977 14 20
1879: marries Hannah Elizabeth WILKINS
1880: birth of Alfred F TUCK
1881: census RG11 276 116 32
1882: birth of Charles Jabez TUCK
1884: Henry Thomas TUCK
1886: birth of Edith TUCK
1888: birth of Julia TUCK........
1891: census Hanah E declares herself a widow

WHO IS HE BETWEEN 1888 - 1896 when he surfaces in Hampshire

Alfred Albert ELDRIDGE

1896: Marries: Maria CRIPPS at Farnham
1897: birth of Ivy E ELDRIDGE
1898: birth ofLaura ELDRIDGE
1900: birth of Edward C Eldridge
1901: census family living in Salisbury Alfred a photographer

1911:

[Mutley]

Good evening Mutley im sorry to say i have no access to the cencus and im sorry you have spent a long time on me now please feel free to help someone else im feeling like a pain and i dont want to be, you and every body have been so helpfull already i have learnt so much and im so gratefull i would never have thought that people on this site would be so clever and so helpfull to me but you all have all the very best to you i hope your next case is an easy one many thanks lou x

Don't worry Lou, about the time we spend helping you, this is what we do and we enjoy it, you are not a pain, you have an interesting problem and people will pop in an out when they can, adding bits and pieces.
One day you will also help others, what goes around comes around, we all share.

The reason I asked if you have access to the census is so that members will know if they should give you the full details or just the reference for you to go and look. We now know you need the details.
We also know that we need to give you some sites where you can look for information yourself :smile5:

Geneius has added some more useful information that places Jabez, in a place at a time.
The Old Bailey online is free for you to search, google for it.

The Family History Search site is also free, learn how to use it, it is a fantastic source.
http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=0

[geneius]

Thanks Mutley, a bit late for me as I had incorrectly assumed that Louise had access to the subscription information, once sorted, no doubt 'we' can give the full information

Any chance of you translating the address of the Academy on the 1871 census? It is on Boughton St, and then I struggle

geneius

[Coromandel]

Hello again everybody, I see the night shift has been doing good work again:)

Geneius' timeline makes it clear when Alfred started calling himself Alfred Eldridge, and there seems no doubt now that the name change was to disguise his bigamy. It is interesting that his first wife Hannah calls herself a widow in 1891, and that when one of the sons (Henry? I forget) married in 1907(?) he said his father was dead (when we know Alfred was alive and well). Did the son believe his father was dead, I wonder?

There's a possible death for Hannah in 1937: Hannah E. Tuck, aged 80, death registered in the Surrey SW district, Q2 1937.

When did Alfred first get together with Maria, I wonder? Perhaps trying to trace her on earlier censuses may answer some questions? And just where does that Laura Eldridge (born Ilfracombe) come into the story?

[Mutley]

Thanks Mutley, a bit late for me as I had incorrectly assumed that Louise had access to the subscription information, once sorted, no doubt 'we' can give the full information

Any chance of you translating the address of the Academy on the 1871 census? It is on Boughton St, and then I struggle

geneius

Could it be Boughton Street, Tenterden House continued... (the district is Blean, Faversham)
A google job, methinks. :smile5:

[corpios]

Hello again yes its me the pain again im in need of your help if you dont mind this time ive got a few questions about John Eldridge who wed Mary Rabbits in 1777 this is the only fact i have i dont know their parents names or areas or even their dates of birth death etc any help would be wonderfull lou x

[corpios]

Hello just thought i would see if i could find my info here as to [Tuck] Jabez Tuck was born in 1815 in cambridgeshire im thinking well hoping that there might be some joy in this forum . Any info would be great thanks lou x

[Kerrywood]

A lot of research has already been done on Jabez TUCK, in the General Family History forum.

It gets very confusing if data on the same person is separated across different threads, so I've combined all the threads here, in order to keep the information in one place.

This thread can be moved to another forum later, if necessary (just ask a Moderator).

Please don't start any more new threads on Jabez TUCK! Thanks. :smile5:

[corpios]

Sorry i didnt realise that they were all linked.

[davidcarca]

Lou posted earlier today on another board "Please can you help me by telling me anything about William Tuck the father of Jabez Tuck[cambridgeshire] Many thanks"

My reply in part was (before I'd found this thread which covered much of the ground and more than I'd covered:

"Jabez was born c1815 in Cambridge according to censuses. His 1866 marriage to Anne Eldridge names his father as William deceased. Was she actually Mary Ann and was the mother of all his children?

The Baptism Index at
http://www.
cfhs.org.uk/Search.html
throws up nothing. However a tree on Ancestry gives a birth date of 14 Aug 1814, but it doesn't say where or give a source. The same tree shows parents as being William Tuck and Sarah Hutt, but again no detail is given. They actually married at Cambridge All Saints on 12 Oct 1813, William being of the parish of Cambridge St Mary the Less.

One of the other boards to which you contributed says that Jabez was a Strict Baptist, at least for some of his life. Possibly that's why he wasn't baptised if his parents were also non-conformist.

I would contact the owner of the ancestry tree to see where the birth date came from"

David

[JamesMac]

I'm very late to this particular game, though Louise and I have spoken separately.

About the 1866 marriage: some evidence I've looked at is making me suspect that Jabez and (Mary) Anne were not legally married at the time. There are a series of marriage allegations available via Ancestry - this is where the prospective husband goes to the Diocese for a licence to be married, rather than have their banns called in the local church.

I have found what I am convinced is the marriage of Jabez's daughter Clara. Her husband goes by the name of Demosthenes Cartwright - so there is only ever going to be one of him! His marriage allegation is fine, apart from naming his wife as Clara Ann Costall, not Tuck.

I also found the allegation for Helena Tuck's marriage to Henry Bland Kimpton. She is a minor at the date of the allegation (23 August 1883) and is living two streets from her father Jabez - and yet she claims that she has no lawful parent living, nor any guardian appointed by the Chancery Court. Viewed conventionally, that's a blatant lie, and one which would be rapidly uncovered (Jabez was a frequent visitor to Chancery). But if she knew that he was not legally her father, because the marriage was invalid...?

James

[JamesMac]

The "con" about wrong birthplace for Albert:

Alfred Eldridge went to school at Boughton under Blean (see the 1871 Census, he's at Tenterden House). If you are lying, you never pick details out of the air, there is always some grain of truth at the back of it.

James