Lost - 5 children in Swansea named Jones

[Colin Rowledge]

5 of their 11 children are dead. This was confirmed on the 1911 census. Those 6 children are all accounted for, but as for the other 5 they never made any census records, so no given names are known. :hammer:

In 1911 they had been married for 41 years. Their names were Thomas Jones and Mary Jones nee Rees. The last known child was Alfred born in 1886 when the mum was 38 years old. My suspicions are that one or 2 may have been between 1876 and '78 and the balance between 1881 and '85.

Family search has an unlimited number of Jones with parents Thomas and Mary, so how do I narrow the search? Thomas was a house painter and all his married life, lived in Swansea.

[Richard1955]

Hi Colin
Can I have the 1901 census reference

[Colin Rowledge]

Hi Colin
Can I have the 1901 census reference

Hi Richard
References as requested:
R.G.13/Piece 5078/Folio33/Page1

Address was Bellevue Street.

The Sophia living with them is the sister of Thomas

[Richard1955]

Hi Colin
So just from the census I have the following seven:
Catherine b1871
Thomas G b1873
William b1877
Mary E b1878
David b1880
John b1882
Alfred b1887

[Colin Rowledge]

I will confess, that I missed the John, born in 1882. Now I have 4 unknown siblings

Don't worry about John [1882] as I'll track him down

Colin

[Richard1955]

Sorry Colin.
That's as far as I can get and the parish records do not seem to be searchable on line.
Perhaps someone else can help.

[Colin Rowledge]

Sorry Colin.
That's as far as I can get and the parish records do not seem to be searchable on line.
Perhaps someone else can help.

Thanks, Richard, - regardless of how far you can go back, we've found John [1882]. Now I have his elder ?brothe?, Davd John and his W.W.1 service records to examine

[Richard1955]

Hi Colin
If the service records are available they may give you the names of siblings.

[Colin Rowledge]

Hi Colin
If the service records are available they may give you the names of siblings.

Nothing really helpful there. He was married - wife named Emma + 3 kids [no names given] He was aged 34 years 6 months when he enlisted and was discharged in March 1915 as Medically Unfit for Service.

It is possible I missed something as some of the pages were badly marked up. If someone is interested in looking at on A. his Regimental #17379, he was a Private in the Welsh Regiment.

Have been unable to find him on the 1911 census for Swansea, with a wife Emma and no idea as to when he actually married and/or how old the 3 kids were.

Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

Hindsight is always 20/20. Our conclusion is that the military record found for David John is not the right one.

Will do some further looking at the census records. Possibly the David John born in 1880 and cannot be located after after 1891 census, so far, anyway, is one of the five who died prior to the 1911 census.

[Colin Rowledge]

Having compared the original 6 children that were found, I constipated on the 1891 census record since that middle name initials and ages that corresponded [using +10] from the 1881.

If there's any interest, I'll post the findings and my conclusions so that some folks can take 'pot-shots':gunsmilie:.

[Richard1955]

I think we would rather take pot shots at you Colin ! Just kidding !
Yes, post away and lets see what you bin up to now.

[Colin Rowledge]

I think we would rather take pot shots at you Colin ! Just kidding !
Yes, post away and lets see what you bin up to now.

Give me time, folks, give me time. As S.W.M.B.O. is fond of saying:
"Patience is a virtue
Virtue is a grace
Grace is a little girl
Who never washed her face".

Your chances will come.

[Colin Rowledge]

If you kind folks will bear with me, I hope that what follows will clarify my understanding of the naming process of the children of Thomas G. Jones and his brother Daniel - the only 2 of 7 children born to George and Hannah Jones that so far I have married off. The other 5 were - Evan, John, William, Catherine and Sophia.

Thomas G. Jones married in 1870 and Daniel in 1869.

I have managed to find 6 children [all sons] born to Daniel and his spouse, and in order of their birth dates, they are - David John [died 1873], David John, Damiel G., William M., Thomas F. and Evan E.

With Thomas G. the 1911 census indicated that there were 11 children born of which 6 were still alive at the time of the census. I think [with Richard 1955's help] to have found 7 of these children. They are - Catherine [1871], Thomas G. [1873], William H.[1875], Mary E. [1878], David John [1880], John [1882] and Alfred [1885]. These 7 have all appeared on census records since their births, so I feel that the missing 4 never made it to a census after their birth, but possibly were given a name based one of the above that has not yet appeared.

Would that be a reasonable premise to work on while looking for births and deaths for a child named Jones, born and died in Swansea, between 1882 and 1892, when George's wife would have been aged 44 [in 1892]?

I am prepared for any and all suggestions.