jones family census lookup please

[whdsn]

Hi
I have a william jones born abt 1866 bangor son of Thomas and Elizabeth. Thomas was born 1824 in pistyll and Elizabeth was born 1832 in LLandegai. I'm trying to find Elizabeth's maiden name so i sent away for William's birth certificate with the GRO. The trouble is they can't find him.so i need to contact bangor registery office to see if they can help me. I need to find on the 1861 where they were living and what job Thomas was doing. I know he was a quarryman on the 1871 census not sure where he was living.
These are the children Thomas and Elizabeth had JANE 1858 BANGOR
JOHN T 1861 BANGOR
CATHARINE 1863 BANGOR
ELIZABETH 1870 BANGOR

[Jellylegs]

This looks like the family in 1861 (RG09/4352/22/1) Living at Llannerch, Bangor
Thomas JONES (head) b. 1829 Pystyll - Ag. Labourer
Elizth (wife) b. 1832 Llandegai
Jane (daughter) b. 1858 Bangor
John (son) 6 months born Bangor

In 1871 the address is Rhyd Y Groes, Bangor (RG10/5729/46/3)
In 1881 the address is 11 Rhyd Y Groes, Bangor (RG11/5579/72/6). Thomas was a widower, but there is a daughter Elizabeth born 1870.

(records held by TNA, Crown Copyright)

[whdsn]

Thank you for the information i can now ask bangor reg office for william's birth cert and his parents marriage cert to find out who was his mother.
whdsn

[whdsn]

Hi
just had the marriage certificate for Thomas and Elizabeth. Thomas's father was Robert jones a Quarryman and Elizabeth's maiden name was Griffiths daughter of Owen Price a tailor. can anyone find anymore information on the parents of Thomas and Elizabeth from the censuses

[whdsn]

Hello
I'm looking for Thomas jones born about 1824 to 1829 in pistyll i think he was a Quarryman

[malcolm99]

There is a Thomas Jones age 25 born in “Pisdill” in the 1851 Census HO107 Piece 2513 Folio 213 Page 7. I can’t trace another in 1851.
(Record in care of TNA: Crown Copyright)

[Pam Downes]

1851 living in Carnguwch

HO107/2513 folio 213 page 7 (folio number not given on Ancestry, but it is on FMP)

Thomas Jones, mar, 25, land labourer
Mary, wife, 27,
Sarah, daur, 4,
Griffith, son, 1,

Children born in Carnguwch. Not going to attempt Mary's place of birth, and all I'm going to say about Thomas' is that it begins Pis. What the enumerator has scrawled after that - who knows?

(Census in care of TNA, and Crown copyright.)
Pam

Snap, Malcolm :smile5:

[olliecat]

There are further details on Thomas Jones in this thread here.

[whdsn]

Hi
thanks for the replys, I should have said my Thomas married in 1856/57 sorry. malcolm please can you give me more details on your findings i haven't got access to the censuses.

[Pam Downes]

Hi
thanks for the replys, I should have said my Thomas married in 1856/57 sorry. malcolm please can you give me more details on your findings i haven't got access to the censuses.
Malcolm, if you want to attempt Mary's birthplace go ahead. :smile5:
Otherwise I've given the details.
Pam

[Pam Downes]

There are further details on Thomas Jones in this thread here (http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php/67779-jones-family-census-lookup-please).

Ooh - interesting to see that there were allegedly two Thomas Jones, born Pistyll circa 1824-1829.
And looks as if Malcolm and I have found t'other one. :oops:

Proof: 1871 census
RG14/5715 folio 50 page: 2
Pam

[whdsn]

HI Thomas's marriage certificate came today and it says his father was Robert Jones a Quarryman. The only baptism i can find in Pistyll for Thomas is 1824 Father John mother sarah. Thomas named one of his sons John Thomas jones but no Robert which makes me think they sent the wrong certificate. Thats why i'm looking for him on the 1841 and 1851 censuses.

[olliecat]

Since there was an earlier thread on this person, I have now combined the two threads so that we can keep the information in one place and to avoid duplication of effort. :smile5:

[whdsn]

Hi yes they have sent the wrong certificate. The right one reads father John a farmer and his wife's father was Owen Griffith a Quarryman. They married in Bangor 1857.
please can someone help me to find Thomas's parents John and Sarah on any of the censuses. Thomas had a brother Robert born abt 1827 in Pistyll. He might have had a sister called Mary born abt 1816 but i'm not 100% sure about this.

[malcolm99]

I have checked the civil parish of Pistill (as it was called in the 1841 and 1851 Censuses) and have not found any John & Sarah Jones’ who were farmers. Nor could I trace a Robert Jones in the 1841 Census who could be directly linked to a John & Sarah.

However a search of Pwllheli Registration District in 1841 shows the following entry:

1841 Census: HO 107; Piece 1388; Book/Folio: 5/3 ; Page 4

Address: Veurdra or Vaerdre, Llandegwning

John JONES, Farmer, age 35, born Caernarvonshire
Sarah JONES,age 30, born Caernarvonshire
Elizabeth JONES, age 11, born Caernarvonshire
Marry JONES, age 10, born Caernarvonshire
John JONES, age 8, born Caernarvonshire
Ann JONES, age 7, born Caernarvonshire
Ellimor JONES, age 5, born Caernarvonshire
William MORRIS, Ag Lab, age 25, born Caernarvonshire
William JONES, Ag Lab, age 20, born Caernarvonshire
Evan EVANS, Ag Lab, age 15, born Caernarvonshire
Ellinor DANIEL, Female Servant, age 20, born Caernarvonshire
Marry WILLIAMS, Female Servant,age 20, born Caernarvonshire


This family is also in the 1851 Census at the same address: HO 107; Piece 2513 ; Folio 470; Page 3

There is one other family in Pwllheli RD in 1851 with John (a Farmer of 35 acres) & Sarah Jones. See:
HO 107; Piece 2514 ; Folio 195 ; Page 3 – Address: Brynmawr, Llaniestyn


(Census records in care of TNA: Crown Copyright)

[whdsn]

Thank you Malcolm, sorry these are not my ancestors. John and Sarah children were Mary 1816, Thomas 1824 and Robert 1827. Thomas was in pentir at the time of his wedding,his father John was a farmer in 1857

[Trefor]

Thank you Malcolm, sorry these are not my ancestors. John and Sarah children were Mary 1816, Thomas 1824 and Robert 1827. Thomas was in pentir at the time of his wedding,his father John was a farmer in 1857

I recently read this thread, as I am related to this Thomas Jones. His father was Robert Jones (born abt 1796) whilst his mother was Eleanor (born abt 1791). Grateful if anyone else has further information as I would very much like to compare notes. I also have an old photograph album containing a photo of William Thomas Jones (born 1866).