Seeking info on Darcy family, Clonmel County

[kblov011]

Hi - am new to the forum and live in Australia. Am seeking info on my great great grandfather Michael Darcy believed to be born in Clonmel in 1811 to David Darcy and Margaret Kelly. Michael came to Australia at some stage but I have no idea when, he married a Mary Harvey in 1840 in Australia. His father and mother were married supposedly in 1807 in Darling Hill County.

Also seeking family of Andrew Keough born in Banagh, Wexford - he was born in about 1818 and moved to Australia in 1842.

[Waitabit]

Hi kblov011, can you tell us where you have looked up to now? to prevent double up searches. What records do you have to suggest the dates you do give here? Any titbit helps us to help you.
Nice to see you here, enjoy the forums & good luck.

[kblov011]

Hi Wendy - thanks for responding so quickly. Info I have is from other family members, I have been doing family tree on ancestry.com but find too many people are just willing to copy info without investigating a little. One woman on there though has verifications but even though I've emailed, no response - I have searched an Irish website (paying as I go) with no luck. They lived in New South Wales, although they travelled backwards and forwards to South Australia and Mary's mother was a Thomasin Venning Harvey who had immigrated there. Kay

[Waitabit]

Hi Kay, a rather mixed up day for me today, left no time for searches. Several Michael Darcys popped on Ancestry Passenger lists some convicts many born in the wrong year or arrived too late.

Have you checked out Passenger lists to Australia yet?
Do you have Michaels death or obit records? these may tell how long he's been in the Colony. sorry to give moe questions than answers, but they do help in searching.

Having seen a death notice for a Michael D'Arcy parents David & Margaret 1880 at St.Leonards. It may make a diference n searches with the differing name spellings.
A child Mary also died in that year at St.Leonards Parents Michael & Mary

Sorry I have to leave this here for now.

[kblov011]

Thanks Wendy - please don't waste too much of your time doing this. Michael died on 2 June 1880 in St L as you said, the name seemed to be D'Arcy and then Darcy. There was also a couple of other Michael Darcy's who were no relation. The story goes that Michael came to Aus with one of his brothers, not sure if it was David or John and settled in around Bega area but Michael and Maria (alias Mary, May) Harvey were married in Bathurst on 17/11/1840, had 10 children - none a Mary unless I am missing that one. Have tried checking lists but lot of Michael's and not sure of year although would have had to be before 1840 obviously because of the marriage. Not quite sure of where to look for obits. K

[julesbythesea]

Hi Kay. Found this wonderful site and saw your post. We too live in Australia and my husbands' 2nd ggrandfather, George Venning Harvey was your Maria Venning Harvey's brother. We have her as Maria not Mary though could have been known as both names and a dear relative in England has provided us with wonderful research with a very elaborate family tree. He is related through the brother of Maria & George's father, Edmund Harvey who died in Cornwall. Back to Michael D'Arcy, I have been able to get quite a lot of information on the D'Arcy family through NSW History Societies and would be so happy to pass it on as well as information on Maria's family.She had 2 sisters and 3 brothers and all but Edmund settled in SA hence the reason her & Michael spent some time here. Edmund settled in Oberon and we have been in contact with his family, some who still live in the beautiful little town. Her mother Thomasine married again and lived to a ripe old age of 94 dying at Rapid Bay, SA but we have yet to find where she is buried as the local council in their wisdom when they amalgamated decided they didn't need the records and burnt them!!!!! Just hope that some family member I haven't found yet might know the answer. Also we have them having 11 children 1 being born before they were married but with the name D'Arcy-Maria was only 15 when they married and Michael 29. Being new to this forum not sure how I could get the info to you but would be happy to email or post if we can fathom the best way to go about it. Lovely to "talk" to a long lost relative Kind Regards Julie

[kblov011]

Hi Julie - thank you so much for responding. Likewise it is great to talk to another "relative". Since posting this I too have found out some info on the family so we may be able to swap info. Sorry I took so long to respond but have been in Sydney for a few days. I live in Canberra. I think I've found the Thomasin and children's arrival in Australia plus a record of a Thomasine Harvey being charged with concealing the death of an infant in 1828, the year Edmund died. I do have Mary as Maria but she also went by May. I tried to find Thomasine as well especially having married Will Dinham, I thought with a name like that it would be easy to track but SA seems very poor on their records. My email address is kblov01 AT yahoo DOT com DOT au I look forward to hearing from you. Kay

[vezna]

My Aunty Mary had a paper.I will not use my real name for reasons of privacy.Maria Venning Harvey was born in Cornwall,Southern England.The last Celtic region in England.The language is close to Welsh .Venning is one of the few truly Welsh names around.Michael D'Arcy was Irish but French by descent going back to I do not know when .Arcy is a region In France.D' stands for of.It is a French noble name common in Ireland now in some regions.Italian and Spanish names have this too. 5 French bros left France and 3 went to England and 2 to Ireland. They may have been French Hugonauts. French Protestants-:balloon: Our relatives went to Ireland..If Michael was the first D'Arcy to come to Australia,his sibling/s went to the USA>We have distant relatives there.Ellen May D,Arcy died over a decade ago at age 96.She had her last child(14th) at 51.Her spouse was Finnish. Johan Wilhelm Michels.Good luck.I hope you find what you are looking for.Maria Venning Harvey died in her 30s after giving birth to a large number of children.The family tree is quite tragic and full of premature deaths.

[vezna]

They were free settlers - not convicts.Michael come from a family of 13 or 14 children.Most were dead before they were 30 and many died in childhood or their teenage years. Irish potato famine maybe or deliberate cruelty from the English.We will never know.Maria Venning Harvey was dead at age 32 after giving birth to 10 kids.

[kblov011]

Hi Vezna - am now in Cornwall and have visited the Historical Society here, they say Venning is not Welsh but an old Cornish name. Also could you tell me who Ellen`s parents are - I thought an Ellen Darcy was daughter of John Darcy and Ellen O`Neill. Thanks K

[vezna]

Her mother was a D'arcy as well.She was born out of wedlock.Father unsure.
Forgot the first name


sorry

[vezna]

Going back to the 1600s,Maria Venning Harvey,her ancestors names looked Jewish or semitic(Arabic).My Aunty Mary would not have had the cultural experience/education to identify them but i do.Did not say anything to her about that.Jews were expelled from Portugal/Spain during the 1600s..We are all human either way and what difference does it make where they originate from. Welsh/Cornwall-almost identical languages.Good luck.

[Treesn'Hills]

The Thomasin Harvey charged with murdering her newborn infant early in 1828 - the infant was recorded as being illegitimate - cannot be the same Thomasin Harvey - her husband did not die until Oct 1828.
Thomasin - Mrs Harvey (snr) arrived in Sydney with her eldest son and his wife, her daughters Caroline and Mary and Master Jno. Harvey on the UPTON CASTLE - as Intermediate passengers. Also on the shipping list was Mr Dinham. The vessel left Plymouth 16 Oct 1837 and arr. Sydney 23 Feb 1838. Charles Dinham married Caroline Harvey in Sydney in 1838 before they traveled to South Australia. Dinham and George Harvey were in business in Adelaide by January 1839. Charles Dinham had purchased land at the land sales in London in 1836, in partnership with Dr James Benjamin Harvey; this land was at Rapid Bay. Charles Dinham's older brother William Dinham married the widow Thomasin Harvey in Adelaide on 4/1/1846. She was recorded as 50 and he as 43.
Sadly, Sophia Fildes (Newton) Harvey the wife of Dr James, died there in 1842 as did Dr James Benjamin Harvey in 1843. Their two small orphaned sons returned to England, where one died not long after arriving, the other went on to marry twice and left issue.
The relationship of Dr James Benjamin Harvey with Caroline, the wife of George Dinham is not known, but more than likely they were cousins. Dr James was practicing in Cornwall before migrating in 1838 on the Rajasthan to Adelaide.

[Dinham]

Hi,just noticed your post,where do you fit in the thomasine harvey/dinham story please?
She is my ggg grandmother.

[Dinham]

Hi,I Know where thomasine is buried at yankalilla.

[Treesn'Hills]

Sorry, I don't know anything of the Darcy's - The Dinham connection came about by way of researching ancestral connections who came out on on the Rajasthan and a later court case about the orphaned Harvey boys on their return to England - I was aware Thomasina was buried at Yankalilla - but she has no connection to my family - although I'm uncertain that Dr Harvey's wife, maiden name Newton, may possibly have been a relative of my extended family. Thought adding the details of Thomasina's marriage to Dinham was worth putting on the forum.
Treesn'Hills

[kblov011]

Maria Venning Harvey (Thomasin's daughter) married Michael D'Arcy - they were my great great grandparents.

[Dinham]

thanks trees for some interesting info I did not know about Dr Harvey and that Cape Jarvis land purchased in 1836.
Charles Dinham my GG grand father,had an older brother Dr John Dinham died youngish in 1856 may have been a friend of dr Harvey.The Harveys Charles travelled with to Sydney in 1839 with the Harvey's who .came from Tregoodwell close to Camelford in Cornwall.He married Caroline HARVEY in Sydney daughter of Thomasine.
Now a question please,how did you find the names of land purchases in Adelaide and South Australia in 1836?
Charles Dinham and George Harvey had a store called Dinham and Harvey on the Bee hive corner from 1839? to 1841.
Hullo Kblov,
DO you live in adelaide?
l do not know any Harvey's in Adelaide or SA but I reckon there are lots of descendants of George Harvey here.
I have read of Mr Darcy,lots of letters have survived,he lived with the Dinhams and Harvey's in Adelaide in the 1840's,he spent time coming and going to the gold rush in VIctoria in that period.
There are some keen Harvey researchers in NSW if you need help.
Cheers,will help if need be.

[Treesn'Hills]

South Australian Land Owners 1835-1841 available on CD @ SAGFHS or Mortlock Library, Adelaide
Recently lodged book at both venues, "Litigious, Loquacious George" George Clisby and the extended Clisby family in Australia - contains brief notes re the Harvey's and Dinhams.

I also used British Newspapers and other PRO documents at Kew, London as my sources. I have nieces who are Vennings and understsand the Venning family in S.Australia have been extensively researched.

[Dinham]

Thanks trees,
As I said just found this site,your quick reply was great so I do appreciate it.
How can I contact Jules by the sea,a previous poster a mrs Harvey I think and hopefully kblov I think both Adelaide people?
Also did you search those above site by internet or visitation or purchase the DVDs via mortlock library please?
Robert M Dinham Vale Park cheers

[Treesn'Hills]

GOULD GEnealogy supplies (based in South Australia) look at the website for the CD for SA Landowners. It's a bit hard to navigate but you will get the information if you persevere
The British Newspapers - (subscriber site) also if a member of the Nat Library Canberra (enroll online) there is a collection of British Newspapers on their licensed site - among a billion other sources. Also TROVE the newspaper website of the NLA in Canberra oozes juicy tales of the past!
PRO London, some material available on The Genealogist (subscription website) but if you are new to this I wouldn't suggest committing to too many O/S subscription sites yet - join a local FHS group they often have a LOT of local and International material and members with vast experience who can suggest further leads. The larger groups and libraries usually subscribe to Ancestry, Find My Past, and other pay to view or sub. sites.
I do not live in South Aust. have been researching for 30 odd years with membership in various groups along with that of the SOG in London, where I regularly visit along with the PRO at Kew and numerous other resources in the UK. Keep digging away ...Trees

[kblov011]

No I live in Canberra so all my research has either been done by Trove or through Michael's letters and brief history from my grandfather and mother so if you have any info I would be happy to correspond privately. Email is [email protected] - thank you.

[julesbythesea]

Hi Robert, must admit a long time since I have revisited this site due to travelling Australia but now settled again and live in Adelaide now and would love to "talk". My email is [email protected]. Regards Julie