Ayres - Loveridge

[andmar]

AYRES - LOVERIDGE.
Hi all, I am trying to find information about my great grandparents William Ayres 1855-1901 and Emily Loveridge c1859-1928
I have their wedding cert. dated 1888 and it states that William's father was James Ayres but I have no further details about James.
Emily's father was Cornelius Loveridge a tinman but no further details.
At the time of their marriage they were living at Charlbury, Oxfordshire.
I would be really grateful for any further information especialy about the birth of Emily Loveridge.

Thanks, Andy.

[Lizzy9]

Hi Andy,

1871, Banbury St Mary, Oxfordshire. All born Towcester, Northant's except Caroline Beedon Northant's. RG10/1466; Folio/78/ 36. (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)

Cornelius Loveridge 25 Tinman
Caroline Loveridge 26
Isabel Loveridge 8
Emily Loveridge 6
Edith Loveridge 4
Louisa Loveridge 2

[Lizzy9]

Emily Loveridge baptised 7/5/1865, at Towcester, parents: Cornelius and Caroline.

[Lizzy9]

This is a possible birth ref from the GRO index for Emily.

Emily Loveridge, Jan-Mar qrt 1865, vol 3b page 20, at Towcester Northant's

Where did you get the approx birth year of 1859?

Do you have names and approx birth years of William and Emily's children?

[Lizzy9]

AYRES - LOVERIDGE.
I have their wedding cert. dated 1888 and it states that William's father was James Ayres but I have no further details about James.


What does the marriage cert give for William's occupation, is there no occupation entered for James Ayres? Do you have a plce of birth for William? Any census ref's?

[Lizzy9]

Yes, Graham, I agree. I've searched for Loveridge's before for another member and they led me a merry dance! Romanies, with their transient life styles can be difficult to pin down and often give a different place of birth on each census. They are fun though to research, frustrating at times but certainly a challenge!

Andy, do you know whether William was of Romany descent?

[andmar]

Hi Lizzy & Graham, thanks for your replys.

I am new to family research and did not want to confuse things with too much information but here goes.
Marriage Cert. 12 Dec 1888 Parish church Charlbury. details....
William Ayres 31 Chimney Sweep residing at Church Lane, Charlbury.Father-James Ayres(deceased) Truck maker??
Emily Loveridge 29 residing at Church Lane, Charlbury. Father- Cornelius Loveridge-Tinman
Williams middle name was Knight and commited sucide 1901 at Thame.

They had at least five children....William 1878-1959, James 1880, Horace 1884, Henry 1889, Mary 1896. From 1881 & 1901 census.
To confuse things Emily was called Emma in 1881 Census.

Andy.
"Emily Loveridge baptised 7/5/1865, at Towcester, parents: Cornelius and Caroline."
I was hoping this was my Emily but it would have meant birthing William at age 13. Possible ??

Emilys birth calculated from Marrige Cert. William born at Headington. Jan qtr BMD

And yes William was of Romany/Gypsy descent.

[janbooth]

From Oxfordshire FHS Parish Register transcripts of Charlbury:

12 December 1888 at Charlbury William AYRES, 31, bachelor, Chimney Sweep, Church Lane Charlbury, father James AYRES (deceased), ?Trunk Maker & Emily LOVERIDGE, 29, spinster, Church Lane Charlbury, father Cornelius LOVERIDGE, Tinman. Witnesses: Thomas JONES, Fanny JONES & Mary M WEST.

Neither William nor Emily were baptised in Charlbury.

I've missed our LOVERIDGE challenge, so here we go with another one. Will look for more records and get back to you.

Janet

[janbooth]

Andy,

Emily may have been several years old when she was baptised so don't discount the baptism Lizzy found for you. Also, don't necessarily take the ages quoted by Romanies, or their places of birth for that matter, as correct. When Lizzy and I were searching on the other LOVERIDGE thread, we found all sorts of anomalies in ages and places of birth from census record to census record - that is when they were ven on census records!! However, I think from the census records we have found for Emily, she was perhaps fibbing a little about her age on her marriage record!!

This could be the marriage of Emily's parents on the GRO:

December qtr 1861 at Pottserspury reg district, vol 3b, page 78 Cornelius LOVERIDGE and one of the other names on the page is that of a Carolina BOSWELL - doesn't the surname BOSWELL ring a bell, Lizzy!!

The 1881 census of Cornelius and Caroline shows them in Wellingborough, Northants living at 3 In Court 4, Jacksons Lane with children Edith, Louisa, Alice, John, Cornelius & Thomas aged 2 mths. 1901 census shows them back in Neithrop, Banbury as follows:

RG13/1406, folio 83, page 11
19 Foundry Street

Cornelius LOVERIDGE Head M 60 General Hawker & Dealer Northampton Towcester
Caroline do Wife M 59 do Weedon
Elizabeth do Daur S 15 Oxfordshire Banbury
Matilda do Daur S 13 do do

Janet

[janbooth]

More background information:

From Oxfordshire FHS PR Transcripts of Banbury:

6 September 1884 Thomas CARTER, 19, bachelor, Hawker, Neithrop, son of Thomas, Hawker & Lily LOVERIDGE, 18, spinster, Neithrop, daughter of Cornelius, Hawker. Witnesses: Charles COOPER & Rebecca COOPER.

12 April 1910 Samuel LOVERIDGE, 27, bachelor, Labourer, 14 Foundry Square, Banbury, son of Cornelius, Tinsmith & Ellen PITCHER, 21, spinster, 14 Foundry Square, Banbury, daughter of Joseph, Labourer. Witnesses: Walter BOSCOTT & Lydia GIBBARD.

Janet

[janbooth]

Cornelius looks to be in the 1861 census of Towcester, parents Thomas & Winifred (RG9/926, folio 84, page 18) with parents Thomas, aged 62, Basket Maker born Whipcote & Winifred, aged 59, born Wolleston, Gloucestershire and sister Emily. If you look on Family Search Pilot website you will find quite a few baptisms between 1819 & 1845 for this couple in various parts of the country. This website also records the marriage of Thomas & Winifred in Olney, Bucks.

He and Caroline and family are also in the 1891 census of Neithrop, Banbury transcribed as LEVERIDGE by Ancestry.

Janet

[janbooth]

AYRES family:

From Oxfordshire FHS PR Transcripts of Charlbury:

12 February 1882 James AYRES son of William & Emily, Chimney Sweep, Hexit Wood
12 February 1882 Frank AYRES son of William & Emily, Chimney Sweep, Hexit Wood
3 May 1887 Alice AYRES daughter of William & Emily, Chimney Sweep, Bayliss Yard, Charlbury, privately baptised
15 March 1896 Mary Bridget AYRES daughter of William & Emily, Chimney Sweep, Hixet Wood, baptised

The last address would figure, as in the 1901 census of Charlbury, Emily is described as a widow living at Hixet Wood with her family.

I don't know how relevant this might be, but there is also a baptism in Charlbury on 1 July 1877 of a Charles AYRES son of Joseph (deceased) and Ann, Labourer, Hexit Wood. Also a baptism of a Sarah Jane on 29 Dec 1874 to the same couple. Given the address of this Joseph and the fact he was deceased by July 1877, could he be the father of your William and either his name mistranscribed on the marriage details or on the parish register records - perhaps food for thought. Joseph AYRES was buried on 22 May 1877, aged 69 of Hixet Wood. Other burials at Charlbury:

16 May 1887 Alice AYRES, aged 1, Bayliss Yard

Janet

[andmar]

Thanks Janet but do you (or anyone) know if a trunk maker literally made trunks and what did a tinman do.
Did he mend pots and pans or was there a skill involved.

Andy.

[andmar]

Oops sorry, I missed a lot of those posts( I said I was a newbie).
I'll have to reread them to digest it all.

Thanks again, Andy.

[janbooth]

Hi Andy,

A Tinman is - you've guessed it - someone who works with tin! I should imagine, given that Cornelius came from a Romany background, that he was originally a Tinker maybe repairing/selling pots & pans. Not sure about a Trunk maker - perhaps something like a Basket Maker but on a larger scale. The Old Occupations websites that I have used in the past don't mention Trunk Makers.

I have found William & Emily on the 1891 census of Charlbury, enumerated as AYERS. They are living at Hexit Wood and William is shown as a 36 year old Chimney Sweep born Oxford, Oxon so I should think that the 1861 census record in St Clement Oxford that Graham found is a distinct possibility, especially as that William had a brother named Frank and your William named one of his sons Frank. Emma/Emily is shown as a 34 year old Pedlar born Liddiard, Wiltshire and living with them are children William aged 13 born Thame, James aged 11 born Brill, Bucks?, Horace aged 7 born Charlbury and Henry aged 2 born Charlbury. Not sure what happened to son Frank - perhaps he died but he is not buried in Charlbury.

Janet

[andmar]

Yes this is a possible but I would feel happier if he had been a hawker.

Andy.

[andmar]

But having said that they did change their title pretty regular.

[Lizzy9]

Here's probable death's from the GRO index for Cornelious and Caroline.

Cornelius Loveridge, age 85, Oct- Dec 1932, Banbury, vol 3a page 1337
Caroline Loveridge, age 88, Apr-Jun 1832, Banbury, vol 3a page 1315.

Jan, welcome back to Loveridge searching, have you been missing them? This family doesn't seem as elusive as the other Loveridge's does it?

[Lizzy9]

1851, Olney, Buck's. HO107/1723/639/22 (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)
Thomas Loveridge 49, Basket Maker, birth place unknown
Winifred Loveridge 48, Woolaston, Northant's
Ezihiah Loveridge 16, Basket Maker, Stoke Bruerne, Northant's
Lewis Loveridge 17, Basket Maker, Ashton, Northant's
Ahser Loveridge 10, Stoke Bruerne, Northant's
Alfred Loveridge 8, ? Northant's
Cornelious Loveridge 5, Towcester
Wineford Loveridge 10, Little Houghton, Northant's
Emmaly Loveridge 4, Southam, Warks

[Lizzy9]

A Thomas Loveridge married Winifred Smith, 12/11/1818, Olney, Buck's.

[janbooth]

Oh, I've been suffering from LOVERIDGE withdrawal symptoms, Lizzy!! I think for the most part the Towcester LOVERIDGE families seem to have settled down in one place much earlier and actually appear on census records which makes it so much easier to trace them!! Let's hope we have found the correct families for Andy.

Janet

[Lizzy9]

Hi Andmar,

The following web page looks like it could relate to your Loveridges (if we have the correct family)

sarah-henson.co.uk/names/loveridge.htm (put www. in front)

[janbooth]

Hi again Andy,

I think your AYRES family is going to be more problematical to research than the LOVERIDGEs in the first instance.

The 1851 census shows James AYRES living at Caroline Street, St Clement, Oxford (HO107/1727, folios 331/2, pages 49/50) and he is described as a 35 year old Labourer born Garford, Berks. His wife is now shown as Caroline born c1820 at Wootten, Berks. Both of these places are very close to Abingdon. They have 5 children all born St Clement: Robert aged 9, Thomas aged 8, Fanny aged 6, Henry aged 4 and Stephen aged 1. The 1861 census of St Clement shows James's occupation as "Labourer & Travels with ? & ?" - can't read what it actually says, but perhaps that fits a little better with your expectation. Wonder what has happened to all the children shown in the 1851 census??

It looks as if something catastrophic happened to perhaps both James & Caroline/Catherine after the 1861 census, as by the 1871 census children Lydia, Francis and another child Annie aged 9 (also born St Clement) were in the Union Workhouse Headington, all 3 shown as scholars. Aha, there is a death registration of a Caroline AYRIS in the September qtr 1863 at Headington reg district (contains the parish of Oxford St Clement) which could be very relevant.

Emma LOVERIDGE gives her age as 17 in the 1881 census of Banbury which would fit in with the baptism in Towcester quite well. Have you managed to find William in the 1881 census Andy? I'm not having much success so far.

Janet

[andmar]

Hi Janet, this is from 1881 census on FMP and here Emma gives her age as 24.

AYERS, William Head Married M 26 1855 Chimney Sweep Oxford (middle name Knight)

AYERS, Emma Wife Married F 24 1857 Swindon Wiltshire

AYERS, William Son Single M 3 1878 Thame Oxfordshire

AYERS, James Son Single M 1 1880 Brill Buckinghamshire


I don't know if it is any help buy I have found a death for Emily Ayres aged 69 at Abingdon in March 1928
(from Free bmd)

[andmar]

Hi Andmar,

The following web page looks like it could relate to your Loveridges (if we have the correct family)

sarah-henson.co.uk/names/loveridge.htm (put www. in front)

Yes Lizzy this looks really relavent IF we have the right Emily.

Andy.

[Lizzy9]

Emma, or Emily it would appear she used both names. The 1881 census you posted Andy - which has EMMA and William has Emma born Swindon Wilt's, so how about this?

1871, Barton St Mary, Gloucestershire, living in tents. RG10/2621/53/11 (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)

Cornelius Loveridge 42, Gypsy Traveller, Buck's
Amelia Loveridge 41, Whitney, Oxfordshire
Betsy Loveridge 20
Louisa Loveridge 18
Richard Loveridge 16
Emma Loveridge 14, CRICKLADE, Wilt's
Susan Loveridge 10
Mary I Loveridge 8
Sarah Loveridge 4
Carishine Loveridge 2 ?????? (a dau, Christine, maybe?)

[Lizzy9]

1881. On Lydiard Plain in caravan, Liddiard Millicent, Wilt's. RG11/2022/15/24 (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)

Cornelius Loverage 54, Travelling Tinman, Marsh Giffard, Buck's (n.b. I am transcribing what is written)
Amelia Loverage 46, birth place not known
Louisa Loverage 20, (All 3 children - Witney, Oxfordshire)
Jane Loverage 17
Sarah Loverage 15

There's other Loveridge families on the same census page.

[Lizzy9]

Emma Loveridge baptised 23/5/1858 at Fulbrook, Oxford, parents: Cornelius and Amelia

[Lizzy9]

A marriage: Cornelius Loveridge to Amelia Duckett, 26/12/1859 at Fulbrook, Oxford.

There's a Richard Duckett aged 80 in the next tent in 1881.

[Lizzy9]

1891, Stow on the Wold, Gloucestershire. RG12/2038/35/18 (Crown copyright, in care of TNA) Living in a caravan.

Cornelius Loveridge 63, Travelling Tinman, Bister [sic] Oxfordshire
Amelia Loveridge 62, Witney, Oxfordshire
Frank Ayers 9, grandson Charlbury, Oxfordshire

[Lizzy9]

1871, Richard Duckett aged 70 with his son (also Richard) and family. Living in tents, Barton St Mary, Gloucestershire.
RG10/2621/53/12 (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)

[Lizzy9]

1861, Lydiard Millicent, Wiltshire, in tents. His son Richard, and other family members are on the same census page, also in tents.
RG9/1273/163/17 (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)

Richard Duckett 58, Tinman,
Caroline Duckett 59
Mary Ann Loveridge 9, grandau

[andmar]

This one looks a lot more promising as it would make her about 20 when William Jnr was born and she claims several times she was born at Swindon

You would think it would be easy with a Cornelius as a father.

Andy.

[Lizzy9]

From the GRO index

Emma Loveridge 2nd qrt 1858, Cricklade, 5a/28

[Lizzy9]

This one looks a lot more promising as it would make her about 20 when William Jnr was born and she claims several times she was born at Swindon

You would think it would be easy with a Cornelius as a father.

Andy.

Past experience tells me Loveridges are never easy, Andy :smilewinkgrin:

Yes, I agree these latest finds do look more promising.

[Lizzy9]

From the Romanygenes site. Binstead Parish Records (baptisms)

16/9/1866 Sarah, parents: Cornelius and Amelia of Lyne, Tinman
13/9/1868 Cornelius, parents; Cornelius and Amelia, of Stoke Lyne Oxfordshire, Tinman
13/9/1868 Matthew, parents: Henry and Mary Loveridge of Stoke Lyne, Tinman (relatives??)
6/9/1869 John, parents: Dennis and Marianne Loveridge of Stoke Lyne, Tinman (another rellie?)

There's also some Ayers and Ducketts, take a look at the site it's very informative. ALL the baptisms listed took place in Sept, I learned from a Google search that Sept was hop picking season, it would appear many Romany families met up there yearly in Sept.

[Lizzy9]

Could the occupation of James Ayres be TRUG Maker ie a basket maker? Truck Maker doesn't sound right!

[Lizzy9]

From the GRO index.

William Knight Ayers, 1st qrt 1855, Headington, 3a/494. Headington was the reg district for Oxford St Clement.

[Lizzy9]

There's also this (related maybe?)

William Knights Ayres, 1st qrt, 1860, Huntingdon, 3b/276

[janbooth]

Oh well spotted Lizzy. That Emily LOVERIDGE would make much more sense because I found an Emily LOVERIDGE as a servant in Banbury on the 1881 census with a birth date c1864 in Towcester which would fit in very well with the Cornelius & Caroline LOVERIDGE who seem to be based in the Towcester/Banbury area. And you have found Frank AYRES who was not with his parents on the 1891 census - take a bow!!

This looks as if it may be your Cornelius LOVERIDGE in the 1841 census of Bicester:

HO107/885/4, folio , page 19
Crockwell

Cornelius LOVERIDGE 40 Brazier
D'Leafy do 40
Cornelius do 11
Thomas do 9
Queen Asiony do 7
Rose do 5
Clementina do 2
Georgiana do 4 months

All born in the county.

Janet

[janbooth]

This looks like Cornelius Snr in the 1861 census of Bicester:

RG9/900, folio 118, page 34
St John's Street

Cornelius LOVERIDGE Head Un 54 Tin Worker Oxon Middle Barton
Leafy SMITH Boarder Un 52 Hawker do Studley
Mary do do Un 26 Gen Serv Bucks ?
James do do 15 Tin Worker Oxon Bicester
Roseary do do 11 Scholar do do

Sorry I forgot the folio no for the 1841 census - it is 14 and all the family are definitely shown as LOVERIDGE. I can't find them in the 1851 census at the moment but will keep looking.

Janet

[janbooth]

Right here they are in the 1851 census of Bicester - ages totally different once again:

HO107/1729, folio 422, page 20
Crockwell

Cornelius LOVERIDGE Head Mar 40 Brazier Bainton Oxon
Delathy do Wife Mar 42 Oddington do
Clementina do Daur Un 12 Bickley do
Elizabeth do Daur Un 5 Bicester do
James do Son Un 2 do do
Rosena do Daur Un 1 do do
Rosena do Grandaur 8 Netting ? Stoke Lyne do

Wonder why they suddenly became unmarried in the 1861 census??

Janet

[Lizzy9]

HO107/1729, folio 422, page 20
Crockwell

Cornelius LOVERIDGE Head Mar 40 Brazier Bainton Oxon
Delathy do Wife Mar 42 Oddington do
Clementina do Daur Un 12 Bickley do
Elizabeth do Daur Un 5 Bicester do
James do Son Un 2 do do
Rosena do Daur Un 1 do do
Rosena do Grandaur 8 Netting ? Stoke Lyne do
Janet

I've been going through some Loveridge records I had saved to my Ancestry Shoe Box (looked up for the other Loveridge thread). I found the above 1851 census; I have Rosena as being age 80?, and Grandmother. From this I deduce she is Cornelius's mother.

[andmar]

This looks like Cornelius Snr in the 1861 census of Bicester:

RG9/900, folio 118, page 34
St John's Street

Cornelius LOVERIDGE Head Un 54 Tin Worker Oxon Middle Barton
Leafy SMITH Boarder Un 52 Hawker do Studley
Mary do do Un 26 Gen Serv Bucks ?
James do do 15 Tin Worker Oxon Bicester
Roseary do do 11 Scholar do do

Sorry I forgot the folio no for the 1841 census - it is 14 and all the family are definitely shown as LOVERIDGE. I can't find them in the 1851 census at the moment but will keep looking.

Janet

Is this Leafy Smith the same person as D'Leafy who was with Cornelius in the 1841 census.
If so would this be her maiden name?

Sorry I haven't been keeping up but I am away from home for a few days.

Andy

[andmar]

Also from the same post does this mean Mary, James,and Roseary are Smiths.

Andy

[janbooth]

Hi Andy & Lizzy,

Lizzy, you are correct, the 1851 census does say Grandmother, sorry about that Andy, and the age would have to be 80 although that is quite difficult to decipher.

Andy, Looking further into the Leafy SMITH shown in the 1861 census with Cornelius, I do think she is his wife but don't understand why they are both suddenly unmarried and with different surnames. This could perhaps be her mother as there is a Delathey SMITH in the 1851 census of Bicester living at Crockwell as follows:

HO107/1729, folio , page 7

Delathey SMITH Head Un 60 Netting ? Finmere Oxon
William GOSTELOW Lodger Un 21 Brazier Bicester do
Thomas LOVERIDGE do Un 19 Umbrella Maker Middleton Stony do
Ann do do Un 15 Lacemaker Bearstall Bucks
Mary Ann do Grand daur 10 Bicester Oxon
Jane do Lodger Un 18 Lacemaker do do
Sarah BANISTER do W 70 Netting ? Stoke Lyne do

And she is also in the 1861 census of Bicester Market End:

RG9/900, folio 115, page 28
Crockwell

Leafy SMITH Head Un 64 Hawker Oxon Finmere

Looking at the details from the 1851 census record, the Ann LOVERIDGE aged 15 born Bearstall Bucks would appear to be the Mary SMITH, aged 26, born Bearstall Bucks in the 1861 census - could she have been a Mary Ann?? The Thomas LOVERIDGE could be the son of Cornelius & Leafy, correct age, but why a Lodger and not grandson?

But, by the 1871 census of Bicester Market End (RG10/1445, folio , page 40) there is the following record:

15 Crockwell

Cornelius LOVERIDGE Head Mar 65 Tin Plate Worker Oxon Bicester Mkt End
DeLeafy do Wife Mar 62 Hawker do do

So Cornelius & Leafy are now married again!!


There are 2 baptisms on Family Search Pilot of children to Cornelius & D'Leafy as follows:

16 February 1834 at Becklay, Oxon Queenesia LOVERIDGE daughter of Cornelius & Dalitha
9 December 1838 at Becklay, Oxon Lermartina LOVERIDGE daughter of Cornelius & Salether

I think Becklay should be Beckley which is west of the M40, south west of Bicester and east of Kidlington. So at least these two children were baptised as LOVERIDGE. James SMITH in the 1861 census could be the James LOVERIDGE in the 1851 census of Bicester.

Daughter Elizabeth LOVERIDGE would appear to be working as a Housemaid in Leamington, Warwickshire in the 1871 census (RG10/3195, folio 77, page 50) in the household of a Sarah HEARD and in the household of a Richard MORRIS in the 1861 census of Leamington.

There is a marriage on the GRO Index in the March qtr 1859 of a Clementina LOVERIDGE & a Thomas SMITH which may be relevant. They are living in Bicester in the 1861 census, Thomas being a Grinder, aged 24, born Ledwell Oxon, with their 2 children Emanuel & Sidney. From our past researches the LOVERIDGE & SMITH families seem to have intermarried quite a lot.

I wonder if this is daughter Georgiana who has married a George LOVERIDGE and is living in St Thomas Oxford in the 1861 census - the LOVERIDGE families also intermarried a lot - as she is shown as Georgeanna, aged 21, born Bicester which fits beautifully with the 1841 census record. However, at the moment I can't find the marriage of this couple so can't definitely confirm my speculation.

Lunchtime now and I need to put my thoughts in order again. Will look again later.

Janet

[andmar]

Hi Janet, Lizzy and Graham.

I am back at home now and had a chance to put down on paper and make sense of all the hard work you have done.
There are still a few mysteries but like you said the Loveridges are hard to pin down.
I would just like to say thankyou for all your time and effort.

Andy.

[janbooth]

Great and good luck with your future research. Let us know if we can help in any way.

Janet