GRIFFITHS - West Bromwich, help needed

[shaygriff]

I've come far with my hunt for the one side of the family, the Vowles. Thanks to the help of Keyboard86 and Ronone, I've got as far as the late 1700's. The funny thing is I can't seem to get any further with the Griffiths side. This is what I have so far:
Thomas Griffiths, b. 1841 West Bromwich, married to Mary Woodhall in 1867, he died in 1880.
His father was Joseph Griffiths.
I have the following from the 1871 census: Residing at Little Lane (Church Field Tavern ) West Bromwich. Occ. Boat loader.
1881 census:Residing at 30 Harvils Hawthorn (Old Crown Inn), West Bromwich, Stafford. Occ. Licensed Victualler.

All help would be appriciated.

shaygriff

[Lizzy9]

1861 census has

Joseph Griffiths 61 Boat Loader Tipton Staffs
Sarah 57 Dudley Worcs
Thomas 19 West Brom
John 14 West Brom

RG9; Piece: 2027; Folio: 48; Page: 24 (Crown copyright, in care of TNA) Living Oldbury??? West Bromwich.

[Lizzy9]

1851. HO107; Piece: 2025; Folio: 530; Page: 10 (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)

Josh Griffiths 51 Tividale Staffs
Sarah 48 Worcs
Josh 23
Charlot [sic] 20
James 17
William 14
Thos 11

All children born Staffs.

[mikejee]

Shaygriff
According to the CD Hitchmough’s black Country Pubs (which summarises info from various sources) Thomas was at the Old Crown until 1895. Mrs Sarah Griffiths then took it over till 1896 . Presumably this should be his daughter Sarah Griffiths, with no Mrs. There is at least one other publican Thomas Griffiths in West Bromwich, before and after him (some of the ones after could be his son) and I don’t think any of the other references refer to your Thomas
Mike

[barbara lee]

Hi Shaygriff

In the 1990s I did a volunteer project for the Society of Genealogists on the baptismal registers of West Bromwich 1660 – 1772. I re-typed them from a manuscript copy of theirs that was starting to deteriorate and I indexed them all from scratch.

I still have the data, and I have just looked at the files for you. There are only a few baptisms of Griffiths, Griffith and Griffis, and here they are

14 Mar 1713/14 GRIFFIS My d of Nehem
27 Dec 1746 GRIFFIS Jane d of Jn
19 Feb 1749/50 GRIFFIS Jos s of Jn
29 Sep 1754 GRIFFIS Han d of Wm
26 Dec 1756 GRIFFIS Jn s of Wm
2 Mar 1760 GRIFFITHS Wm s of Wm and An
9 Apr 1769 GRIFFITH Jn s of Wm and Eliz
31 May 1772 GRIFFITH My d of Wm and Eliz

Note that I have never seen the original register, and the name abbreviations above were in the copy I saw. But it is reasonable to assume Wm is William, My is Mary and so on.

The Jos baptised in 1749/50 is far too old to be the Joseph who was the father of your Thomas born 1841, but he might be his grandfather or great grandfather. There doesn't appear to be a settled continuous family in the parish, because there is no baptism for the William who fathered children from 1754 to 1772. It looks like they were in and out of the parish and you may have to widen your search to the surrounding parishes.

Best wishes

Barbara

[Lizzy9]

1841. Clay Pit Lane, West Brom. HO107; Piece 978; Book: 9 Folio: 28; Page: 18. (Crown copyright, in care of TNA)

Jos (transcribed as Ed Griffiths 35
Sarah 33
Mary Ann 14
Jos 12
Charlotte 9
James 6
Wm 4

[Lizzy9]

There's this possible marriage on igi.

Joseph Griffiths to Mary Ann Woodward, 7th July 1826, Longdon by Upton on Severn, Worcester.

Sorry, ignore this, I got confused and looked for wrong bride's name

[RonOne]

Probable baptisms for 3 of the children: (all IGI extracted)

MARY ANN GRIFFITHS
Christening: 13 MAY 1827 - All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, England
Father: JOSEPH GRIFFITHS
Mother: SARAH

CHARLOTTE GRIFFITHS
Christening: 08 JAN 1832 - All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, England
Father: JOSEPH GRIFFITHS
Mother: SARAH

JAMES GRIFFITHS
Christening: 16 MAR 1834 - All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford, England
Father: JOSEPH GRIFFITHS
Mother: SARAH

[RonOne]

Possible marriage:

(IGI Extracted)
JOSEPH GRIFFITHS
Spouse: SARAH ROTHERAM
Marriage: 06 NOV 1821 - All Saints, West Bromwich, Stafford

[RonOne]

Possible birth and christening:

JOSEPH GRIFFITHS
Birth: 01 MAY 1800
Christening: 29 JUN 1800 - Tipton, Stafford, England
Father: EDWARD GRIFFITHS
Mother: SARAH


Hi Shay,

Looks like it's time to check these possibilities on the parish registers again!

[shaygriff]

Shaygriff
According to the CD Hitchmough’s black Country Pubs (which summarises info from various sources) Thomas was at the Old Crown until 1895. Mrs Sarah Griffiths then took it over till 1896 . Presumably this should be his daughter Sarah Griffiths, with no Mrs. There is at least one other publican Thomas Griffiths in West Bromwich, before and after him (some of the ones after could be his son) and I don’t think any of the other references refer to your Thomas
Mike
Thanks mikejee
In the 1891 census, daughter Sarah was listed as a barmaid residing at 60, White Swan Inn Hawkes Lane West Bromwich. So it seems she moved home again :
shaygriff
I don't think the Thomas after was his son, that would be my greatg and he was a "roll turner".

[shaygriff]

There's this possible marriage on igi.

Joseph Griffiths to Mary Ann Woodward, 7th July 1826, Longdon by Upton on Severn, Worcester.

Sorry, ignore this, I got confused and looked for wrong bride's name

Thanks Lizzy9. I get confused all the time on here :)

[shaygriff]

Hi Shaygriff

In the 1990s I did a volunteer project for the Society of Genealogists on the baptismal registers of West Bromwich 1660 – 1772. I re-typed them from a manuscript copy of theirs that was starting to deteriorate and I indexed them all from scratch.

I still have the data, and I have just looked at the files for you. There are only a few baptisms of Griffiths, Griffith and Griffis, and here they are

14 Mar 1713/14 GRIFFIS My d of Nehem
27 Dec 1746 GRIFFIS Jane d of Jn
19 Feb 1749/50 GRIFFIS Jos s of Jn
29 Sep 1754 GRIFFIS Han d of Wm
26 Dec 1756 GRIFFIS Jn s of Wm
2 Mar 1760 GRIFFITHS Wm s of Wm and An
9 Apr 1769 GRIFFITH Jn s of Wm and Eliz
31 May 1772 GRIFFITH My d of Wm and Eliz

Note that I have never seen the original register, and the name abbreviations above were in the copy I saw. But it is reasonable to assume Wm is William, My is Mary and so on.

The Jos baptised in 1749/50 is far too old to be the Joseph who was the father of your Thomas born 1841, but he might be his grandfather or great grandfather. There doesn't appear to be a settled continuous family in the parish, because there is no baptism for the William who fathered children from 1754 to 1772. It looks like they were in and out of the parish and you may have to widen your search to the surrounding parishes.

Best wishes

Barbara
Thank you Barbara, very interesting. I'll be doing as Ronone says and checking the Parish registers again.

[shaygriff]

Possible birth and christening:

JOSEPH GRIFFITHS
Birth: 01 MAY 1800
Christening: 29 JUN 1800 - Tipton, Stafford, England
Father: EDWARD GRIFFITHS
Mother: SARAH


Hi Shay,

Looks like it's time to check these possibilities on the parish registers again!
Hello Ronone
My cousin in England has checked this info you gave and found it correct :) so far we haven't found anything about Josephs' father Edward or mother Sarah.

[shaygriff]

I need help to find Sarah Rotheram (Josephs wife), I found some where her date of death as being 1875, but in the 1871 census she is not mentioned. Can anybody enlighten me?
Also I need information on Joseph's father Edward. His wife was Sarah Male born 1769 Halesowen, Worcester. Her parents Thomas and Mary. Any info here?
Thanks
Shay

[vicac]

Hi Shay
I am researching the Vowles Family Tree from West Bromwich. I have gone back to Dennis Vowles born 1835. I know you were looking at a Dennis Vowles born 1809 who could have been a convict and sent to Australia, did you have any confirmation of that.
My wifes grandfather was William Vowles born 1882 brother to Job Vowles. Would appreciate any information you may have.
Regard Vic

[auburn]

I've come far with my hunt for the one side of the family, the Vowles. Thanks to the help of Keyboard86 and Ronone, I've got as far as the late 1700's. The funny thing is I can't seem to get any further with the Griffiths side. This is what I have so far:
Thomas Griffiths, b. 1841 West Bromwich, married to Mary Woodhall in 1867, he died in 1880.
His father was Joseph Griffiths.
I have the following from the 1871 census: Residing at Little Lane (Church Field Tavern ) West Bromwich. Occ. Boat loader.
1881 census:Residing at 30 Harvils Hawthorn (Old Crown Inn), West Bromwich, Stafford. Occ. Licensed Victualler.

All help would be appriciated.

shaygriff

Hi there!

I have a few Woodhalls in my tree -mainly licensed victuallers from West Brom. There is a useful site which lists All Saints West Brom Marriages 1654-1837-find it at www.stonecontrols.com/AllSaintsMarriages.html

cheers and good luck
Auburn

[shaygriff]

Hi Shay
I am researching the Vowles Family Tree from West Bromwich. I have gone back to Dennis Vowles born 1835. I know you were looking at a Dennis Vowles born 1809 who could have been a convict and sent to Australia, did you have any confirmation of that.
My wifes grandfather was William Vowles born 1882 brother to Job Vowles. Would appreciate any information you may have.
Regard Vic

Hello vicac. Was your wife's William married to Cathrine Lake? If so, I can help you back to the early 1700's ;)
I did get the convict story confirmed.
Contact me on my mail adress:- jam-gri(at)online.no and I'll give you a link to my online tree.

Shay