Rowledge family - originally Rickmansworth

[Colin Rowledge]

Through an assortment of birth, baptism/christening, marriage and death certificates, I have traced my Grandmother, Florence Prsicilla Rowledge [my dad's mother] back 4 generations to her roots - Samuel Rowledge and Ann Woods. Samuel was born about 1770 and married Ann Woods in 1793 in Harefield MIddlesex [Pallot's Marriages]. Sam is indicated as from Rickmansworth, but Ann's details are not shown

I have found baptism records for 3 children. All were in 1810 or later. Robert, the one born in 1810, is Florence's G-G-Grandfather. His 2 brothers were Joseph born 1814 and David born 1816 [England and Wales Christening Records 1530-1906]
Q. #1 - if these 3 are born of the mother, Ann who he married in 1793 then are there any other children born prior?

Q #2. Did the 1st Ann die and he married another Ann around 1808 and these 3 are from his 2nd marriage?

Robert died in 1880. He married Catharine Clay in the Parish of Pinner on April 8, 1832.They had a total of 10 children. John was the 7th child and was baptized July 25, 1841. He is Florence's G-Grandfather.

An older brother of Robert's was Alfred - baptized October 5,1834. Alfred married Emma George October 17, 1859 in Marylebone. A witness was a Charles Rowledge.

Very little is known about Charles. He died September 24 1875 and his age was 41. This would make him born about 1834. I cannot find him on the 1841, 1851 or 1861 census records. In 1871 he is on the census as aged 37 single, a Coachman living on Melcombe Mews, Marylebone and indicated born in Middlesex.

Q #3 - Can anyone identify this chap and tell me anything about him?

Thanks

[Colin Rowledge]

Too late to edit Alfred was the elder brother of John - not Robert.

Sorry.

[pennydog]

St Mary's Harefield (www.stmarys-harefield.com) has a very good website and an archivist - you may be able to get some info from him regarding the Samuel / Ann Wood marriage.

[Colin Rowledge]

St Mary's Harefield (www.stmarys-harefield.com) has a very good website and an archivist - you may be able to get some info from him regarding the Samuel / Ann Wood marriage.

Thanks, Pennydog. Have emailed the archivist and am awaiting his response.

Cheers

[Mutley]

In 1861 there is a Charles Rowleye but it looks on the original as if it could be a 'g' rather than a 'y'.

He is a servant (coachman) unmarried at 28 years old and born St. George Hanover Square, Middx.

I cannot read the address, Mornington [something], Regents Park, St. Pancras.
RG9/94/7/7 (Records copyright of TNA)

[Colin Rowledge]

In 1861 there is a Charles Rowleye but it looks on the original as if it could be a 'g' rather than a 'y'.

He is a servant (coachman) unmarried at 28 years old and born St. George Hanover Square, Middx.

I cannot read the address, Mornington [something], Regents Park, St. Pancras.
RG9/94/7/7 (Records copyright of TNA)

Thanks, Mutley.

Could very well be my man as at the time of Alfred's wedding to Emma George, Alfred was a railway porter. He lived on Johnson Street and she lived on Westbourne Terrace both of which were in the Parish of St. Marylebone.

Cheers.
Colin

[Kerrywood]

St Mary's Harefield (www.stmarys-harefield.com) has a very good website and an archivist - you may be able to get some info from him regarding the Samuel / Ann Wood marriage.

Harefield marriages are on Ancestry's London Marriages database, surely?

[Mutley]

West Middlesex Marriage Index has both the marriages you mention but there is also one for Elizabeth Rowledge on 31 May 1830. It was at Fulham and she married Thomas Wager. There are no other details so I don't know if she is one of yours.

I cannot see another marriage for Samuel but thinking about your Samuel and Ann, it would be unusual for Sam to have married, had children, buried a wife and then married Ann all before he was 25!

[Mutley]

National Burial Index
Rickmansworth, St. Mary the Virgin

Ann Rowledge buried 4 Feb 1841 age 68 (1773)
David Rowledge buried 2 Oct 1849 age 6 (1843)
Emma Rowledge buried 29 Sept age 12 (1837)
Samuel Rowledge buried 22 Dec 1844 age 77 (1767)
Thomas Rowledge buried 26 Feb 1837 age 32 (1805)
William Rowledge buried 6 Aug 1817 age 18 (1799)
William Rowledge buried 29 Sept 1849 age 16 (1833)

[Colin Rowledge]

Hi Mutley

Thanks for the "National Burial Index" site. I didn't know such a site existed on-line.

Ann Rowledge - February 4, 1841 aged 68 is pretty conclusively the Ann Woods that Samuel married in 1793. He therefore only had the one wife.
David Rowledge - is a new one - I'll have to look into him
Emma - I have her recorded. She is the daughter of Robert and Catharine nee Clay
Samuel - husband of Ann - I have recorded.
Thomas - is a new one - I'll have to look into him
William - could be one of their earlier children - boirn 1799

Not sure about the William born in 1833 - the son of Robert and Catharine. My research has lead me to believe he was alive in 1851, but a servant at the household of William Fage [Sage] in Rickmansworth. This may not be the right one as next door to this family lived Robert and his wife. I'll look into this one.

Cheers

[Colin Rowledge]

Hi Mutley.

Still working on David that was born 1843 and died 1849 - a project for continuation tomorrow.

No luck at all with the Thomas born 1805 and died 1837.

Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

A little bit more information on the wedding of Samuel and Ann in 1793. Date was November 15, 1793. The witnesses were Joseph [who I believe was her father] and Martha Woods [either her mother or a sister]. Ann was noted on the Banns that she was of the parish which was St. Mary the Virgin, Harefield, Middlesex.

Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

National Burial Index
Rickmansworth, St. Mary the Virgin

Ann Rowledge buried 4 Feb 1841 age 68 (1773)
David Rowledge buried 2 Oct 1849 age 6 (1843)
Emma Rowledge buried 29 Sept age 12 (1837)
Samuel Rowledge buried 22 Dec 1844 age 77 (1767)
Thomas Rowledge buried 26 Feb 1837 age 32 (1805)
William Rowledge buried 6 Aug 1817 age 18 (1799)
William Rowledge buried 29 Sept 1849 age 16 (1833)

Hi Mutley

I presume this index is part of IGI, but I am having difficulty navigating the site. When entering the names - all I get is 'records not matched'. What am I doing wrong?

[Colin Rowledge]

Hi Mutley.

Still working on David that was born 1843 and died 1849 - a project for continuation tomorrow.

No luck at all with the Thomas born 1805 and died 1837.

Colin


It would appear that the David born in 1843 was the son of Robert and Catharine. He was baptised on February 15, 1846 along with his sister Susannah born in January 1846.

That I think closes the book on him.

[Mutley]

Hi Mutley

I presume this index is part of IGI, but I am having difficulty navigating the site. When entering the names - all I get is 'records not matched'. What am I doing wrong?

I don't think it is on the IGI. I found it on a popular Subscription/Pay to View site that begins with 'F'. ;)

[Colin Rowledge]

Thanks, Pennydog. Have emailed the archivist and am awaiting his response.

Cheers

Hi
After 2 weeks the archivist hasn't responded so I'm back to chasing details through the forum :cryin:

Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

National Burial Index
Rickmansworth, St. Mary the Virgin

Ann Rowledge buried 4 Feb 1841 age 68 (1773)

Samuel Rowledge buried 22 Dec 1844 age 77 (1767)


Ann was the wife of Samuel and died prior to the 1841 census.

I have traced all the living children of Ann and Samuel and have them located on the 1841 census [at least I think I have], but I can find nothing on Samuel.

I had thought that possibly after the death of Ann he may resided with one of his children and their family but no luck there.

Was he lost in the woods of Hertfordshire and missed? Was he in an institution after her death and recorded as an 'unknown person'?

Can fresh eyes help me here?

Cheers
Colin

[pennydog]

Colin try H0107 - 438 - 22/36 - 27 (crown copyright care of TNA) Church Row Rickmansworth
Samuel Rolidge (as per FMP transcription) age 70 b1771
Living with Mary age 72 and Thomas Turner age 79.
Hope he is your man.

Sue

[pennydog]

Just checked the original and the name IS entered as Rolidge on the original, also under occupation "none". He also has no in 'born in county' column.

[Pam Downes]

Just checked the original and the name IS entered as Rolidge on the original, also under occupation "none". He also has no in 'born in county' column.
Even with Ancestry's transcription :biggrin:, if Colin had searched simply for Samuel living in Rickmansworth civil parish he would soon have spotted him.
Pam

[Colin Rowledge]

Colin try H0107 - 438 - 22/36 - 27 (crown copyright care of TNA) Church Row Rickmansworth
Samuel Rolidge (as per FMP transcription) age 70 b1771
Living with Mary age 72 and Thomas Turner age 79.
Hope he is your man.

Sue

Hi Sue
Not sure how you managed to find him, but he seems right.

Viewing the original, it appears that he was a tailor - same as his son Robert. The age at death in 1844 is 77, so in 1841 he would have been 74, so the rounding down to age 70 is correct.

Not sure exactly where Church Row was in relation to the Town. No residence is listed for Robert and family on the census, so presumably Church Row was outside the Town limts.

Thanks very much for your help - I'd spent hours looking for him with all kinds of name variants on FMP and Ancestry but nothing came up.

Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

Harefield marriages are on Ancestry's London Marriages database, surely?

Hi Kerrywood
Found the Banns for the marriage of Samuel and Ann that was performed November 15, 1793. It included the witnesses but not the names of the father's.

Still trying to find baptisms for:
Samuel [1767] and Ann [1771] both probably in Rickmansworth to find parents of both.

Colin

[pennydog]

Not sure how you managed to find him, but he seems right.
Colin

Colin - I just selected Samuel, no surname , his dob +/- 5 years, and Hertfordshire. A look down the list (I knew Rickmansworth could be Watford district) and there he was. A useful way of looking for someone (only really works if the name is not too common!).
I would imagine Church Row would be close to the church - try looking at the original census pages to see what other addresses were on the enumerators round - you may find another street/road which still exists, so will give an idea where Church Row was. I think on Ancestry you can look at the enumerators route - will have a look for you.
Sue

[pennydog]

Colin - have looked on 'Ancestry'. Church Row is in Rickmansworth district 2, the address prior to Church Row (which covers several pages) is Batchworth Bridge and after is Church Cottages then The Island.
By the way your man is Samuel ROLITDE, no wonder you didn't find him!!
Sue

[Kerrywood]

Hi Kerrywood
Found the Banns for the marriage of Samuel and Ann that was performed November 15, 1793. It included the witnesses but not the names of the father's.
It's a combined banns and marriage entry, indexed by Ancestry as 1893 instead of 1793. :frown5:
But in any case you wouldn't normally expect to find the fathers named before 1837.


Still trying to find baptisms for:
Samuel [1767] and Ann [1771] both probably in Rickmansworth to find parents of both.
The marriage register says Samuel was of Rickmansworth, but that doesn't mean he was born there -- just that he was resident in that parish when he married.

Anglican baptisms at Rickmansworth are all supposedly extracted to the IGI. Searching on Batch Number C072791 for just Samuel (without a surname) doesn't throw up a likely mistranscription of ROWLEDGE. There don't seem to be any ROWLEDGE events at all in that parish before the baptisms of two children of Samuel and Ann in the early 1800s. So perhaps your ROWLEDGE originated elsewhere?

You could try looking for Samuel's baptism in nearby parishes. Some of those on the Middlesex side of the county border are browsable (not searchable) in Ancestry's database London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 > Hillingdon. It would be a starting-point.

There's a baptism for Ann WOODS at Rickmansworth on 7 Apr 1771, daughter of Richard and Sarah. A possibility?

[Colin Rowledge]

My 4X gt-Grandfather - Samuel - was born c. 1767 in Rickmansworth. I cannot locate a baptism or details on his parents. On November 15, 1793 in Harefield, Middlesex he married Ann Woods. Ann was also born in Rickmansworth c. 1771 and died in 1841, prior to the census.

Any help on tracing the ancestry of these 2 would be appreciated.

[Jellylegs]

Hi Colin

I take it that you are referring to the Samuel ROWLEDGE buried 22.12.1844, Rickmansworth (found on FMP Parish Records Collection - burials).

The only Samuel near to that on the 1841 census that I can find is at HO107; Piece 438; Book/Folio 22/36; Page 27. Samuel ROLIDGE aged 70, at Church Row, Rickmansworth. Is this your man? If so, it says he was not born in County.

(record held by TNA, Crown Copyright)

[Jellylegs]

If this is your chap, then there is a possible Church christening on the FamilySearch Beta site. Samuel ROWLIDGE - christened 01.12.1766, Lawford, Warwick, England. Parents John ROWLIDGE and Frances.

I am absolutely useless at Geography |doh|, so don't know if the places are too far apart for it to be your chap.

[Colin Rowledge]

Hi Colin

I take it that you are referring to the Samuel ROWLEDGE buried 22.12.1844, Rickmansworth (found on FMP Parish Records Collection - burials).

The only Samuel near to that on the 1841 census that I can find is at HO107; Piece 438; Book/Folio 22/36; Page 27. Samuel ROLIDGE aged 70, at Church Row, Rickmansworth. Is this your man? If so, it says he was not born in County.

(record held by TNA, Crown Copyright)

I am

Ann's death cert. attests to her as the spouse of Samuel and she died in Rickmansworth February 1841 and was buried there on February 4 1841.

All 8 of their known kids [between 1799 and 1819] were born in Rickmansworth. Secretly, I was hoping he was from Rickmansworth, but he could be from anywhere

[olliecat]

Colin, here is a link to your previous thread on Samuel ROWLEDGE and Ann WOODS. I've posted the link as this may be helpful to forum members and they can aid you more effectively in your quest.

Edit: Removed link since I have now merged the two threads.

[Colin Rowledge]

Thanks olliecat for bringing this thread up - I couldn't find it originally.

[Colin Rowledge]

If this is your chap, then there is a possible Church christening on the FamilySearch Beta site. Samuel ROWLIDGE - christened 01.12.1766, Lawford, Warwick, England. Parents John ROWLIDGE and Frances.

I am absolutely useless at Geography |doh|, so don't know if the places are too far apart for it to be your chap.

This may well fit given that some of the Rowlege's in later years went to Birmingham.

English geography, even when I lived in England was never a strong point.

Colin

[Colin Rowledge]

So what do I know for sure about Samuel?

He is my 4X gt-grandfather and marrrried Ann Woods on November 15, 1793, in Harefield, Middlesex.
Ann was of the parrish, while Samuel was not, but there was an indication that he was from Rickmansworth. 1841 censue confirms that he was not born there. I have no idea about where Ann was born

By the early 1800's they moved back to Rickmansworth, where my 3XGGF was born and baptised on April 8, 1810. His name was Robert

Robert had a son - John who married in 1870. John was a General labourer, in London when he married. Somehow, John was convinced to move to Birmingham, Warwickshire by early in 1871 and lived in Birmingham for over 6 years.

While this is not conclusive, it does open the possibility that the birth/baptism in Lawford is the right one