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helwhiz
06-01-2010, 4:23 AM
Hi there,
I am looking for the parents of Dinah Moses, b c 1821, who married Morris Solomons on the 15th September 1842 at the Great Synagogue.
Her Father was David Moses, but I can't find anything about her Mother.
Help much appreciated.
CemeteryScribes
27-01-2010, 10:18 AM
Would this be them in 1841 census:
Petticoat Lane
David Moses 55
Hannah Moses 60
Solomon Moses 30
Moses Moses 30
Sarah Moses 25
Dinah Moses 20
Abigail Moses 18
Isaac Moses 20
NB. Ages can be rounded up / down by up to 5yrs in the 1841.
birdlip
28-01-2010, 2:15 AM
IGI has this;
David MOSES m Abigail SOLOMONS 07 Jun 1809 Gt Synagogue, London
helwhiz
28-01-2010, 12:28 PM
That looks pretty good to me, cemeteryscribes.
And the marriage to Abigail would also work, birdlip
How do you tell which one is right?
Dianh married a Morris Solomons in 1842.
Did David and Abigail show up in the 1841 census, by any chance? to see if they had a child Dinah?
birdlip
28-01-2010, 1:00 PM
I think it's possible that Abigail is Hannah (if you see what I mean) The place and date of the marriage fits, one of the children is called Abigail, and Dinah marries a Solomons (perhaps a cousin?)
I think you're right to double check and see if anyone can find an Abigail and David Moses in 1841 though. You could also see if anyone can view the original 1809 marriage entry for you, or order it to view yourself at an LDS centre. There might be some other details on the original that would help confirm it..or not.
CemetryScribes doesn't give Davids occupation in 1841, but I wonder if it ties in with his occ on Dinahs marriage cert the following year? Ditto her address at the time of the marriage?
birdlip
28-01-2010, 1:14 PM
Its also possible that Hannah is a second wife.
The IGI marriage is member submitted, so treat with caution.
On synagoguescribes.com, the marriage of David MOSES on 7 June 1809 has no spouse (unable to be read perhaps). There are two marriages of an Abigail SOLOMONS in 1809 (Jan and Aug), neither are to a David MOSES.
CemeteryScribes
28-01-2010, 11:58 PM
Sorry should have put in the occupation of David MOSES in 1841, it is general dealer.
Interestingly I can only find a David MOSES with wife Abigail in 1851 census of the right age or thereabouts but the page is really faded on the site I use (begining with A) perhaps someone else can take a look and double check? There appear to be 7 servants! and David is listed as merchant. They seem to be living next door to another Moses family. The area is Brixton Lambeth. Does that match the address on the marriage for Dinah?
NB. I am getting it checked but I suspect the marriage of David MOSES on SynagogueScribes is the one to Abigail SOLOMONS and the spouse field was missed when entered.
birdlip
29-01-2010, 12:51 AM
Interestingly I can only find a David MOSES with wife Abigail in 1851 census of the right age or thereabouts but the page is really faded on the site I use (begining with A) perhaps someone else can take a look and double check? There appear to be 7 servants! and David is listed as merchant.
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So there is no David and Hannah in 1851? Mind you, unless he got really lucky, its hard to imagine that someone working as a General Dealer in 1841, could in one decade graduate to being a merchant with 7 servants!
birdlip
29-01-2010, 3:00 AM
Mind you, unless he got really lucky, its hard to imagine that someone working as a General Dealer in 1841, could in one decade graduate to being a merchant with 7 servants!
I've been looking around and found on TNA, several refs to a David MOSES of Petticoat lane, clothes dealer, insuring property with the Sun Fire Insurance co. His address from 1811 to 1831 is 2 Harrow Alley, Petticoat Lane, variously described as in Hounsditch or "near Gravel Lane."
It makes interesting reading. In many cases, there are two or more refs for one year;
In Jun 1811 and Jul 1813 he's described as a 'Tailor'
Jul 1816 'Tailor and Dealer in wearing apparel'
Aug 1821 and Jul 1825 'Tailor and slop seller'
Oct 1825 'Dealer in clothes as Treasurer' ( anyone know what this would mean?)
Jun 1826, May 1827 'Dealer in clothes and military stores'
Apr1828 'Treasurer'
Sept 1828 'Gent'
Jul 1829 'Dealer in clothes and military stores'
Jul 1829 "Treasurer'
Nov 1830 'gent'
Jul 1831 'Dealer in clothes and military stores'
As early as 1816, he is also insuring other property in the area, 1 Harrow Alley (occupied by Solomon Moses), a warehouse at 3, Harrow Alley,
1 Partridge Court, Gravel Lane etc...
By 15 Nov 1832, (the last one I could see) his address is '10, Petticoat Lane, opposite the India Warehouses, Other Property or occupiers; Tabernacle, 1 Partridge Court, Gravel Lane, Hounsditch', and he is described as 'Treasurer' again.
If this is the David MOSES we are chasing, 'General Dealer' in 1841 may've been a bit of an understatement, and it does seem more possible that he and the David MOSES in 1851 could perhaps be one and the same person. Still being cautious though! What do you think?
helwhiz
29-01-2010, 4:33 AM
Well, I don't know what to think, as I'm not privy to the sites you are looking at.
Maybe I should look at getting a birth certificate for Dinah, or are they only able to be viewed at LDS centres?
Living in country Queensland, that's a bit difficult.
helwhiz
29-01-2010, 4:59 AM
Ok, I have just had some information from another source.
It seems David was the Treasurer of a Polish Synagogue ( also a priveledged member of the Great Synagogue) and did indeed live on Petticoat Lane.
His Fathers name was Moses Ditshi whose wife was Yetta.
I am lucky enough to be getting sent the Gedcom for this branch of the family.
Helen
CemeteryScribes
29-01-2010, 9:25 AM
There are 2 likely looking deaths for the David MOSES we are looking for one in Whitechapel Dec qtr 1858 and one in Lambeth Jun qtr 1860. I would think it likely that David with servants and property left a will although its not on National Archives website > documents online, but then he would appear to be the one that died in Lambeth and therefore later than the online wills are available for.
Helen - as you have a gedcom for the family can you confirm for the original poster whether that David had a daughter called Dinah etc ...
Gaby
helwhiz
29-01-2010, 9:50 AM
Hi Gaby,
I haven't got the Gedcom yet, but I am the original poster, so I'll just have to wait and see.
Thanks.......Helen
CemeteryScribes
29-01-2010, 9:55 AM
Hi Helen,
Sorry, I have a bad habit which I will try and break, of not scrolling back to see who is who and who asked what!
By the way the National Archives site is http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ its worth you having a play on there - you don't need membership. Also Births/marriages/deaths from civil reg time onwards are here http://
freebmd.rootsweb.com/ again no membership required.
birdlip
29-01-2010, 10:56 AM
Well, I don't know what to think, as I'm not privy to the sites you are looking at.
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Hi Helen,
I'm sorry to confuse you with initials, I was trying to post all of that information quickly before I went out (to take the dog to the vet!)
As Cemeteryscribes said, TNA is short for The National Archives, (the UK one) I know how hard it is accessing information, I'm in country NSW, so pretty well everything I find out is from free internet sites, but it really is surprising how much is available online. Its easy to look up for yourself all the references I found for the Sun Fire Insurance Company;
Go to http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/ then
i) click on Advanced search
ii) type David Moses in where it says 'this exact wording or phrase',
iii) In the date range section, type in '01/01/1809' to 01/01/1860
iv) Click on 'Search'
Not all the information that comes up is about the David Moses that lived in Petticoat Lane, you'll need to scroll through. Hope this helps,
cheers birdlip
helwhiz
29-01-2010, 10:57 AM
That's excellent, thanks Gaby.
helwhiz
29-01-2010, 11:04 AM
AHA, TNA, of course, I didn't realise what it was. Even after seeing Gabys post, it didn't connect in my brain.
Yes there are a lot of initials bandied about, and being new the learning curve is steep.
I'll certainly try it out, and for some different things I have to research. Thanks again.
Hope the dogs OK
birdlip
29-01-2010, 11:10 AM
Hope the dogs OK
Yes, she's OK thanks!
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