Reliability of Royalty and Lordship records

[esdel]

The records from Guillaume le Batard throgh lesser nobility run like this, but how reliable is it?

Henry 1 (born ? died ?)
Constance Maude countess Maine (abt 1098- ?)
Richard 1 de Beaumont (born ? died ?)
Raoul VIII vicomte de Maine de Beaumont (born ? died ?)
Agnes de Beaumont (abt 1270- ?) wife of Louis de Brienne
Sir knight Henry earl of Buchan de Beaumont (abt 1285- 1339)
Elizabeth Beaumont (abt 1328-1400) wife of James de Audley
Isabell baroness Audley (1375-aft 1406) wife of John Touchet
Elizabeth Touchet (1406- ?) wife of sir John Baskerville
? Baskerville (1382- ?) wife of sir William de Clint Beckwith
Joan or Joanetta Beckwith (1428- ?)wife of William Gascoigne
Margaret Gascoigne (1454- ?) wife of William Newby
William Newby (1497- ?)

What is the most reliable source to correct omissions and errors made above?
Many thanks
esdel

[Geoffers]

The records from Guillaume le Batard throgh lesser nobility run like this, but how reliable is it?

The question of reliability would depend on the sources you have used to obtain the genealogy


What is the most reliable source to correct omissions and errors made above?

There is no single source that you can use to confirm the lineage - a few ideas to get you going can be found in this TNA research guide (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=79)

[esdel]

The question of reliability would depend on the sources you have used to obtain the genealogy



There is no single source that you can use to confirm the lineage - a few ideas to get you going can be found in this TNA research guide (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=79)

Thanks Geoffers
Your claim seems at least plausible :D
so I shall give nat archives a try
Many thanks

Presumably, to get your hands on power and money you either
1. Were the heir and fought off challengers
2. Fought for it
3. Fabricated the data

So my question perhaps is not where the data is but is it true!
What % of what we read in these National Archive sources is made up by supporters of the would-be new regime or "inserted later" by or for those in power when history was written?
esdel

[Geoffers]

Your claim seems at least plausible
so I shall give nat archives a try

Note that in researching this far back, you will need some knowledge of Latin.


Presumably, to get your hands on power and money you either

Wealth at this time was mostly inherited or stolen. However, some did achieve wealth by work. Status was another matter


So my question perhaps is not where the data is but is it true!

The question of source of data is important because that may help to establish authenticity.

If you have as a source some published genealogy from the 19th century, there is a very good chance that it is a load of squit. Similarly many internet claims are very questionable.

If you have carefully researched various estate and probate records, possibly records of the College of Arms, also Court records, Inquisitions, alienations, rolls, etc - then you may be onto something.

[esdel]

Note that in researching this far back, you will need some knowledge of Latin.


Neque tamen Nates regis verum cognitia sunt?

[Geoffers]

Jolly good, next stage is to make sure that you can read the handwriting of the period. TNA's guide on Palaeography (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/gettingstarted/in_depth_guides.htm?WT.lp=gs-in-depth) is a good way to begin/brush up on things.

[esdel]

Thanks Geoffers!
Need to brush up my Latin too - shouldn't it be regorum (3rd declension or summat)
And there probably is one word for are known!
'Twas all off the top of my head and havena spoken Latin for 60 years.

In my dotage I am better at reading handwriting than doing it!
esdel

PS Doesn't anyone have some positive suggestions - IMPROVEMENTS in accuracy and content for my list:
Guillaume le Batard (Conqueberant)
Henry 1 (Beauclerk) king of England (born ? died ?)
Constance Maude countess Maine (abt 1098- ?)
Richard 1 de Beaumont (born ? died ?)
Raoul VIII vicomte de Maine de Beaumont (born ? died ?)
Agnes de Beaumont (abt 1270- ?) wife of Louis de Brienne
Sir knight Henry earl of Buchan de Beaumont (abt 1285- 1339)
Elizabeth Beaumont (abt 1328-1400) wife of James de Audley
Isabell baroness Audley (1375-aft 1406) wife of John Touchet
Elizabeth Touchet (1406- ?) wife of sir John Baskerville
? Baskerville (1382- ?) wife of sir William de Clint Beckwith
Joan or Joanetta Beckwith (1428- ?)wife of William Gascoigne
Margaret Gascoigne (1454- ?) wife of William Newby
William Newby (1497- ?)

[Ladkyis]

everyone is probably too busy sorting out their own ancestry.

[esdel]

everyone is probably too busy sorting out their own ancestry.

I get pleasure when I break off now and then to try to help others:D
My own researches go better as a reselt ;)
Do you think the ancestry of the kings of England is "reliable"?
Or was it what the historians were told to write
esdel

[esdel]

I am hopeful some kind person will tell me when Henry 1 Beauclerc king of Emgland was born. I am told he died December 1135
What is the best source for such data?
many thanks
esdel

[Mutley]

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_I_of_England)he was born in 1068 in Selby, Yorkshire and died 1 December 1135.

A simple use of google brings up loads of sites like this one (http://www.deloriahurst.com/deloriahurst%20page/1612.html), it would be up to you to check the sources. ;)

[esdel]

Thanks Mutley
I found a good one "Descendants of Royalty" impressive in details (so many concubines for Henry we doubt even he knew one from 'tother)