Sarah Ellis - married to George Nobles.

[WK1937]

I am looking for the death of Sarah Ellis who married George Nobles at Sharnbrook in 1852. George was widowed on the 1861 census and subsequently remarried.

I have done numerous searches for the death with no luck so far and have even written to the Vicar of the local Church because other Nobles relatives are buried there. I expect he is too busy to reply.

Thinking she may have been registered under her maiden name, searches have been done for Ellis but now I am stuck. Any tips/hints would be enormously welcome. She was actually born in Willian, Hertford. Could she have been buried there instead?

Many thanks, Maureen.

[Jan1954]

Hello Maureen,

I had a quick look on FreeBMD for Sarah's death in Bedfordshire and the only one that came up was that for:

Sarah NOBLES, Wellingborough district, December quarter 1856, volume 3b, page 85.

I know that Wellingborough is in Northamptonshire, but the registration district covered parts of Bedfordshire.

In the same quarter is the death of an Ann NOBLES (3b, 83) so I was wondering if this was your Sarah, that she died in childbirth? Probably on the wrong track entirely, but thought it worth a shot....

[Peter Goodey]

...have even written to the Vicar of the local Church because other Nobles relatives are buried there. I expect he is too busy to reply.

One reason for not replying is because he hasn't got the burial register!

Practically all registers of that vintage will have been deposited at the county record office - see the website

http://www.bedfordshire.gov.uk/CommunityAndLiving/ArchivesAndRecordOffice/FamilyHistory/AnglicanParishRegisters.aspx

Sharnbrook Burials 1596-1959

It is a good idea to check the parish registers because civil registration procedures for deaths were not foolproof at that time.

[WK1937]

Thank you Jan - I got so excited when I read your post - UNTIL - I cross checked with some birth records for George/Sarah. Apparently they had another child who was born in the December quarter 1857 but died at 4 months. However your idea of Wellingborough I will follow up. You never know!

Best wishes Maureen.

[WK1937]

Thank you for the very good advice Peter which I shall follow up. I bless these forums - everyone is so helpful but not only that it is very educational.

Regards Maureen.

[judyg]

Hi Maureen,

This post caught my eye because part of my family research are the Nobles/Noble families of Warwickshire, Northamptonshire & Leicestershire.

When I began my research the first lesson I learned was that Nobles and Noble are interchangeable.

If the George Nobles you refer to in the 1861 census is the one located in Hampstead in London then the following death may be worth looking at

Deaths March 1860

Noble Sarah Hampstead Vol 1a Page 136

Cheers
Judyg

[Peter Goodey]

Practically all registers of that vintage will have been deposited at the county record office

Perhaps I should have added that the CRO isn't the only place to see them if it isn't geographically convenient.

The Mormons have filmed the registers (FHL BRITISH Film 1279179 Items 5 - 14) and the Society of Genealogists library has the burial register 1813-1929 ((BE/REG/92812/1-15)

[WK1937]

Thank you Judyg, I have now got everything crossed that you are right. Yes George was at Hampstead in 1861 and lived there until he died very many years later. As all Sarah's children were born in Sharnbrook I naturally assumed they were living there when she died and that George moved to Hampstead after her death subsequently marrying again. The last child they had appears to have been born in 1857 but by 1858 she had died. I have found to my cost that ancestors do not always pass away where they were living at the time so maybe the Nobles moved to Hampstead between 1858 and 1860 and she died there. Oh I do hope you are right - I have been searching for so long.

Good luck with your own research, Maureen.

[WK1937]

Thank you Peter for your follow-up post. If Judyg's reference turns out to be the wrong Sarah, I will gladly click onto your links.

You are such a fund of knowledge - I have been doing my research for quite a number of years now but realise I have still got such a lot to learn. Perhaps I should have started at an earlier age!! Again, very many thanks, Maureen.

[davidcarca]

Be aware that the Beds parish register transcripts only go up to 1812. Perhaps the owners of Parish Chest ought to make that clear in their catalogue

[WK1937]

Thank you for pointing this out. I did email the Beds FHS asking when they were going to publish on CDs but haven't heard from them yet. The NWKent FHS have published quite a few CDs of their parish records and by purchasing them from Parish Chest I was able to find baptisms and burials of which I had known nothing about including a birth and burial of a little boy not mentioned previously. Maureen.

[davidcarca]

See Parish Chest's list of transcripts for Beds - there are a number now available on CDrom - and these make it clear that they only go up to 1812

[WK1937]

Thank you David.

[WK1937]

Judyg - you deserve a big box of chocolates and a bouquet of flowers! At least I can give you a pat on the back. You were absolutely right - I have just received the Death Certificate and it is for George's first wife, Sarah.

She actually passed away in the 'big house' so I can only assume she was working for the family as well as her husband. Cause of death is a little unclear but I am going to look this up. Her life must have been very hard - so many pregnancies but only two children surviving and her own death at age 27.

Anyway, a million thanks. Maureen.

[MarionT]

Hello Maureen,

While researching my husbands family tree I came across your postings and was excited to see that you're are related to Mary Ann Nobles. She is actually my husband's g-g-grandmother who married William Ward.

I have a photo of her if you are interested.

Marion

[WK1937]

Hello Marion, I am so overcome I have sent you an email, not a PM but a proper one where you will get my email address. I hope you will soon read it and feel that you can reply to me.

Love and best wishes, Maureen.

[WK1937]

Good morning Marion, I do hope you received the email I sent you via the forum but I did forget to thank you for your offer of a photograph. YES I would be eternally grateful to receive a copy as I have no images of the Ward family at all - I do not have any of myself as a child either!!

Best wishes Maureen.