Thomas Mackinder b 1815, lincolnshire

[jobarbra]

I have managed to find out that he was sent to Tasmania in 1844 on the William Jardine (with John Lord). How can I find out if he left as he was sentenced to 14 years. I know he survived the journey. I guess he could have died inside prison although I don't know which one he was in.|help|

[Pam Downes]

Hi jobrabra,
I'm not quite sure I understand the question. :confused:
Do you mean that you want to know which prison Thomas was in when he was in Tasmania? And if he was eventually released?
Hugh has already given you the link to the Archives Office of Tasmania in post 3 of a previous thread (http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44838) but other than those documents listed probably nothing else remains of Thomas' prison record, and it would then be a process of seeing if a death could be found for him.
Unless the cost is extortionate, I would certainly think about getting the documents referred to as you never know just what little bits of unexpected information you might find.
Pam

[Procat]

Unable to find a death for him in the Tasmanian indexes which go to 1930. If he was released he may have gone to another state or possible returned to England - though very few convicts returned.

I agree with Pam about purchasing the records.

[Procat]

Ancestry has him recorded in the 1846 Tasmanian convict muster as:

Mackinder Thomas, Tried Lincoln 1844, Sentence 14 years, Ship Wm Jardine 1844, Remarks 3c Class Pass Mr Collins ? Bay

In the 1849 muster:

Mackinder Thomas, Ship Wm Jardine, Tried Spalding 1844, Sentence 14 years, Remarks Hired by D.C. Hunter, Port Sorea?

The transportation register records:

Thomas Mackinder, Convicted Spalding sessions Lincolnshire on 11 April 1844, Sentence 14 years being two terms of 7 years each Voyage Date 10 August 1844, Vessel William Jardine.

[Procat]

You may also find this (http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-30,227,80,L,23) link of interest. And this (http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-62,278,159,C,80).

[Sue Mackay]

Was his father a John Mackinder?

See letter in first post here (http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21390)

[Pam Downes]

You may also find this (http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON14-1-30,227,80,L,23) link of interest. And this (http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-62,278,159,C,80).

Ooh Doug, how did you manage to get those records to show online as they would seem to be some of the ones that Hugh's link leads to? Was it just a case of me not clicking through enough links, or have you got insider information? ;)
Pam

[Procat]

Hi Pam,

Just a matter of going to Tasmanian Archives (http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/) and searching for "convicts". Then work your way through.

[Pam Downes]

Hi Pam,

Just a matter of going to Tasmanian Archives (http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/) and searching for "convicts". Then work your way through.
Which I allegedly did. But just kept going round in circles and couldn't get any records to show online. |sad1|
Will have another try later - got to get ready to fetch fish and chips for dinner/lunch.
Pam |dunce2|

[Procat]

Will have another try later - got to get ready to fetch fish and chips for dinner/lunch.
Pam |dunce2|

Yum. Just got the taste bud working. :)

I remember having fantastic sea food in Tasmania a number of years ago.

[jobarbra]

Ancestry has him recorded in the 1846 Tasmanian convict muster as:

Mackinder Thomas, Tried Lincoln 1844, Sentence 14 years, Ship Wm Jardine 1844, Remarks 3c Class Pass Mr Collins ? Bay

In the 1849 muster:

Mackinder Thomas, Ship Wm Jardine, Tried Spalding 1844, Sentence 14 years, Remarks Hired by D.C. Hunter, Port Sorea?

The transportation register records:

Thomas Mackinder, Convicted Spalding sessions Lincolnshire on 11 April 1844, Sentence 14 years being two terms of 7 years each Voyage Date 10 August 1844, Vessel William Jardine.


Thank you for you help. If the last record on the conduct list is for 1850, did convicts get moved (like you said sent back) but if prisoners dies, were they even registered anywhere or just disappear?

[Procat]

I do not know how many musters there were. it is possible that there were more but they are not online.

My understanding is that convicts who died during their sentence did not have to be officially notified to the BMD registrar.

The death may have been recorded in the conduct registers which did, generally, note the death of a convict in the system or the separate register of convict deaths.

I don't think either of these have been digitised yet.

[jobarbra]

According to the boat William Jardine, there seem to be many records i.e a 1 and a 2 boat?

Back then , did they name more than 1 boat the same name or is this simply a case of the same boat saling at different times.

The boat sailed to Hobart in 1844 and to Perth in 1852...........just trying to figure out where the William Jardine (1) was built, and what it looked like? |help|

[Procat]

According to the Log of Logs the William Jardine was 693 ton, built in 1836 and was making voyages from 1837 to 1850 to Australia. The last record in the book is a voyage in 1850 with Captain Jas Raitte.

I note that the record of the William Jardine making a voyage to Perth in 1852 had the same captain and she was built in 1836.

I suspect they are the same ship.

[jobarbra]

On the remarks side, where it says 30/7/1850............I can see absconded but not sure what the next part means? It's the last entry so I'm guessing he run off not to be found again or he was killed?

http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-62,278,159,C,95

Any ideas?

[Procat]

I think it is Gaz 30 July 1850. I suspect it means he was recorded in the government Gazette as absconded on that date.