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sueannbowen
27-07-2009, 3:05 PM
Dear All

I have just found a couple of rellies in on-line non-conformist registers and the collection is at Dr Williams Library which has been mentioned elsewhere on this forum. I followed Pam's previous link on this.

What I don't know is where/if these children were baptised and what their faith was. It gives their place of abode As Stratford, Westham and the registration district as Cripplegate, London (which seems to be where Dr Williams was). So finally get to the point. I am assuming that means they were actually baptised somewhere else and just recorded by Dr Williams?

If that is so, how can I find out where? One of them does show up in the IGI but it just says West Ham - doesn't name the chapel or anything. It shows:

Mary Ann Karby born 25 November 1802 West Ham Essex (true as she was registered in 1808 along with her brother William and sister Hannah). I am really showing my ignorance here so would appreciate a steer. Mary Ann went on to marry Thomas Marshall but I haven't found that yet.

|dunce2|Sue

emeltee
27-07-2009, 3:29 PM
Hi,
If you to the National Archives site it tells you all about Dr Williams Library

www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/

Look for RG4

Hope this helps,
Emeltee

Ps I have found Mary Ann's baptism on the non conformist register, along with some of her siblings. Do you have all the dtails or would you like them?

sueannbowen
27-07-2009, 3:41 PM
Thanks very much Em. I found Mary Ann, Hannah and William. Unfortunately it doesn't give their father's occupation and I cannot find his birth, marriage or their mother's birth yet. But thanks to Peter (Goodey) last week I think I know where I could start looking. I am going to check out the non-conformist registers for Brickfield Congregational Church in Stratford as Mary Ann gives her place of birth as Stratford throughout the censuses.

thanks for your kind offer

Sue:)

Peter Goodey
27-07-2009, 3:42 PM
Can you please tell us exactly what information is provided.

Peter Goodey
27-07-2009, 3:51 PM
I'd assume from what you've said that it was indeed the Brickfields Independent Chapel.

sueannbowen
27-07-2009, 3:59 PM
Can you please tell us exactly what information is provided.

Peter the actual image says:

Names of Children
Mary Ann Karby
Stratford
Par. Westham
County of Essex
Regd. Oct.12th 1808

Names of Parents
William Karby and Hannah, Daughter of Thomas & Mary Burford.

Witnesses
Wm Maiden, Surgeon
Elizabeth Tippin

Time When Born
25th Nov. 1802

Underneath that entry is the one for her brother William and sister Hannah - they were registered on the same day.

RG4/4661

On the transcript is gives the source of the information as Dr Williams' Library.


Sue

Wilkes_ml
28-07-2009, 3:16 PM
I have the same problem! three children's births registered at Dr. Williams' Library in Cripplegate London. I have copies of two entries:


George Phillpott the son of George Phillpott of Margate in Thanet, Kent and Ann his wife, daughter of Stephen Withenden
Born in margate in the parish of St. John the Baptist in the County of Kent
1st July 1774
At whose birth we were present: George Slater Surgeon, Mary Slater, Ann Purkis and Roger ???
Registered at Dr. Williams,s Library 23 March 1792


Mary Phillpott born 12th October 1766, Broadstairs St. Peters, Kent
Registered 15th April 1793
Father George Phillpott
Mother Ann Phillpott daughter of Stephen Witherden.

Witnessed by George Slater, Surgeon & Elizabeth Terry x her mark

The problem is, I know they were not baptised at the parish churches.

I am also certain that George and Ann (nee Witherden ) had at least 2 other children, whose births weren't registered at Dr. Williams Library, nor were they baptised at the parish churches.

Stephen was buried at St. John the baptist in 1779 age 2, and Richard buried at St. John the Baptist in 1779 age 1. both listed as children of George and Ann.

I believe my ancestor Richard Phillpott was born about 1779, and George and Ann seem to be the most likely parents - and the fact that I can't find his baptism seems to point towards a non-conformist family.

So why would a family travel all the way to Cripplegate London to register the births of just 3 of their children?

And it is so frustrating that only the wife's father is named!!

emeltee
28-07-2009, 5:44 PM
Hi,
The non conformists were not bapstising their children at Doctor Williams Library, they were simply registering the birth.
The following is taken from the page showing the registration of Elizabeth Philpott born Margate 10 May 1781 to George Philpott and Ann (Shilerden) The birth was registered 23 Mar 1792. It is courtesy of The Genealogist.

Protestant Dissenters' Registry. The increased requirement to provide evidence of birth led the Dissenting Deputies (representing Baptists, Congregationalists & Presbyterians) to establish a births register of their children in 1743 at the Dissenters Library. Originally for parents living within 12 miles of London it subsequently became open to anyone, regardless of distance or denomination, provided a fee was paid. Contains almost 50,000 births. Registered at Rev. Daniel Williams Library, Redcross Street, Cripplegate, London Start date April 6th 1743 End date Dec 30th 1837

Emeltee

Wilkes_ml
03-08-2009, 7:55 PM
registration of Elizabeth Philpott born Margate 10 May 1781 to George Philpott and Ann (Shilerden)

Thanks Emeltee- I am guessing this is one, but Witherden has been mistranscrbed.

hughar
03-08-2009, 9:05 PM
The National Archives has a new podcast about The Dr. Williams's Library and the Protestant Dissenters Register. You can access it (and their other podcasts) from http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/rss/podcasts.xml

pulcinello
15-05-2010, 9:55 PM
Dear All

I have just found a couple of rellies in on-line non-conformist registers and the collection is at Dr Williams Library which has been mentioned elsewhere on this forum. I followed Pam's previous link on this.

What I don't know is where/if these children were baptised and what their faith was. It gives their place of abode As Stratford, Westham and the registration district as Cripplegate, London (which seems to be where Dr Williams was). So finally get to the point. I am assuming that means they were actually baptised somewhere else and just recorded by Dr Williams?

If that is so, how can I find out where? One of them does show up in the IGI but it just says West Ham - doesn't name the chapel or anything. It shows:

Mary Ann Karby born 25 November 1802 West Ham Essex (true as she was registered in 1808 along with her brother William and sister Hannah). I am really showing my ignorance here so would appreciate a steer. Mary Ann went on to marry Thomas Marshall but I haven't found that yet.

|dunce2|Sue

Hi - I've just read this and wondered if you have any other Karbys in your tree? I have William Karby who married my ancestor Hannah Burford in 1801 in Leyton, and they have children Eliza and William. Might William be the same as the one you mention and therefore sister to Hannah and Mary? Hannah Karby, nee Burford, is present at several Burford births too according to Dr Williams' baptism records. I also have a note of Thomas Marshall and wife Mary - I would need to check but I think I found him mentioned in one of my Burford's wills.
I'm sure I have more detailed information if you think it would be of help.
Regards
Alison

pulcinello
15-05-2010, 10:02 PM
Hi Peter

I just replied to Sue's message and noticed your surname. I wondered if you had Job Goodey in your tree who married Betsey Burford, daughter of Thomas and Ann? If he is connected to you, you probably have all of the information you need but if you would like to know more about the Burfords, I would be happy to share information.

Regards
Alison

Peter Goodey
16-05-2010, 6:39 AM
I don't think he's one of mine, Alison but thanks for the thought.

sueannbowen
16-05-2010, 8:21 AM
Hi - I've just read this and wondered if you have any other Karbys in your tree? I have William Karby who married my ancestor Hannah Burford in 1801 in Leyton, and they have children Eliza and William. Might William be the same as the one you mention and therefore sister to Hannah and Mary? Hannah Karby, nee Burford, is present at several Burford births too according to Dr Williams' baptism records. I also have a note of Thomas Marshall and wife Mary - I would need to check but I think I found him mentioned in one of my Burford's wills.
I'm sure I have more detailed information if you think it would be of help.
Regards
Alison

How exciting! this is definately my lot Alsion. I will send you my tree if you pm me your email address. I found William's marriage to Hannah in 1801 in Leyton and got that her parents were Thomas Burford and Mary? from the birth registration. But that is it for them for me! I am excited about the will and I am very keen on the Marshalls as Thomas Marshall who married Mary Ann Karby was a silk printer and very helpfully lived at the same place for about 4 census in a row. I wait with bated breath!:hurray::hurray:

pulcinello
16-05-2010, 10:01 AM
Hi - I've sent you a private message with my email details - just thought you might not think to check there! Hope to hear from you soon.

A.