John Simmons Vetenary Surgeon

[sue2white]

My 3rd gt grandfather George Simmons married in 1844, as widower. He stated that his father was John Simmons - Vetenary Surgeon. John was not a witness and I have failed to find him on a census, so he was probably deceased.

George was born c1812 Hitchen Herts
I have found him and his wife Caroline on several censuses, with children
HO107/1491/49
RG9/819/12- this is family without George - who I cannot locate.
RG10/764/8
RG11/730/6

I have looked on the IGI and the only George Simmons I can find born in Hitchen around this time, with a father John is:

GEORGE SIMMONDS
Christening: 29 SEP 1809 St Mary, Hitchin, Hertford, England
Parents:
Father: JOHN SIMMONDS
Mother: ANN

I cannot be sure this is him, due to difference in surname spelling.

I have found a death of a John Simmons in Hemel Hemptead on FreeBMD in 1843. If this is my John (and I will send for the death certificate) then he should be on the 1841 census, but I cannot find him. Can anybody else??

Sue

[Browneyes]

So far...by searching 'John' and keyword 'veterinary' on A....y the first entry it brought up was:

John (no surname) aged 85 born about 1756.
Ref: HO107 Piece 4 Book 7 Civil Parish Luton County Bedfordshire Enumeration District 7 Folio 4 Page 3 Line 13 Hundred of Flitt.
It gives 'Ann' (no surname) as member of household born about 1776.

The census image is very feint.

[sue2white]

Well! We might have to take their word for it, because I can't see it!!

Anc****y also would not let me search it in the same way as you said, as it was book 17. not 7. But I found it by putting 1756 in. The fact Ann is there too, makes it seem correct though.

Thanks.

Sue |hug|

[Browneyes]

Sorry yes it was 17 not 7. Credit due to the transcribers with x ray vision I think. :D

[Peter Goodey]

Ancestry haven't transcribed occupations (except the bought-in 1881) so I'm afraid there's no point trying to search on an occupation.

[sue2white]

Thank you Peter.
Maybe he is lost to the 'feint-world' of 1841 then.

Sue

[Peter Goodey]

Perhaps search out some early trade directories? It's also worth getting down to some serious examination of the proper parish registers. The IGI isn't good enough.

Bear in mind the unreliability of fathers' details on marriage certificates.

[Browneyes]

:eek: Well that was a weird coincidence then as the first listed 'John' (forget the occupation bit) in the 1841 census was one living with an 'Ann' in Hertfordshire!!

[sue2white]

Perhaps search out some early trade directories? It's also worth getting down to some serious examination of the proper parish registers. The IGI isn't good enough.

Bear in mind the unreliability of fathers' details on marriage certificates

You are absolutely right. On George's daughter's marriage certificate, he was described as school master....he was a coachman. It was the groom's father who was the school master!!

Sue|scold|

[petercornish]

Hi Sue,

The Hertfordshire Burial Index records the burial of John Simmons, an infant, at Hemel Hempstead on 08Sep1843.

Regards ... Peter

[petercornish]

Hi Sue,

Just a couple more snippets - George is on the 1841 at Great Westbrook, Bovingdon, Herts age 29, a male servant. ref. HO107/441/9 F.6. P.6 and the Hertfordshire Marriage Index records a John SIMMONS and Ann DAY at St.Pauls Walden on 14Oct1790.

Hope these help.

Regards ... Peter

[sue2white]

Thanks, but I cannot find a link to this child as yet.
Sue

[petercornish]

HiSue,

I gave details of the burial thinking it may have saved you purchasing a certificate. There was a birth of a John SIMMONS registered in Hemel in the September quarter 1843 which could tie in with the burial.

Regards ... Peter

[sue2white]

Hi Sue,

Just a couple more snippets - George is on the 1841 at Great Westbrook, Bovingdon, Herts age 29, a male servant. ref. HO107/441/9 F.6. P.6 and the Hertfordshire Marriage Index records a John SIMMONS and Ann DAY at St.Pauls Walden on 14Oct1790.

Hope these help.

Regards ... Peter

Sorry. I missed this post completely!

I have this information.
When George married my 3rd gt grandmother, he was a widower. I would like to find his first marriage. This child John, may be Georges by his first marriage. Maybe his wife died in childbirth

Sue