Franklin Query - longshot

[jdavey]

I was wondering if anyone has a connection to the following family from Thatcham Berkshire:

Benjamin Franklin born 1792 in Thatcham
married
Elizabeth Freeman born abt 1796 in Greenham, Berkshire

They went on to have 10 children - but I am confused between an Eliza and Elizabeth - looking for confirmation on years of birth. Elizabeth does not show up on the 1841 census with the family.

Kids name and year of birth are as follows:
Sarah 1821
Eliza 1823
Elizabeth abt 1824 ??
Mary 1825
William 1827
Susan 1829
Benjamin 1831
John 1833
Hannah 1835
Emma 1836

Would love to hear if any of this sounds familiar ?

Cheers

Jayne

[suemalings]

Eliza was born 13 July 1823 and baptised 7 September 1823 at the Northbrook St Weslyan, Newbury

[Sandyhall]

Hi from the IGI
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

Source Information: Batch No.: C065581


ELIZABETH FRANKLIN Birth: 13 JUL 1823
Christening: 07 SEP 1823 Northbrook Street-Wesleyan, Newbury, Berkshire, England
Father: BENJAMIN FRANKLIN
Mother: ELIZABETH FREEMAN

MARY FRANKLAND Birth: 27 SEP 1825
Christening: 13 NOV 1825 Northbrook Street-Wesleyan, Newbury, Berkshire, England
Father: BENJAMIN FRANKLAND
Mother: ELIZABETH FREEMAN

WILLIAM FRANKLIN Birth: 02 AUG 1827
Christening: 16 SEP 1827 Northbrook Street-Wesleyan, Newbury, Berkshire, England
Father: BENJAMIN FRANKLIN
Mother: ELIZABETH FREEMAN

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN Birth: 19 SEP 1831
Christening: 13 NOV 1831 Northbrook Street-Wesleyan, Newbury, Berkshire, England
Father: BENJAMIN FRANKLIN
Mother: ELIZABETH FREEMAN

JOHN FRANKLIN
Christening: 1833 Northbrook Street-Wesleyan, Newbury, Berkshire, England
Father: BENJAMIN FRANKLIN
Mother: ELIZTH. FREEMAN (shortened name for Elizabeth)

HANNAH FRANKLIN
Christening: 29 MAR 1835 Northbrook Street-Wesleyan, Newbury, Berkshire, England
Father: BENJAMIN FRANKLIN
Mother: ELIZABETH FREEMAN

EMMA FRANKLIN Birth: 06 JUL 1836
Christening: 04 SEP 1836 Northbrook Street-Wesleyan, Newbury, Berkshire, England
Father: BENJAMIN FRANKLIN
Mother: ELIZABETH FREEMAN

Sandy (not relate to family)

[Sandyhall]

1851 Census

Elizabeth Franklin 56
Benjamin Franklin 19
Emma Franklin 14

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1685; Folio: 219; Page: 40;

Sandy

[Sandyhall]

1841 census

Benjn Franklin 45
Elizabeth Franklin 45
Sarah Franklin 20
Eliza Franklin 20 (could be shortened name for Elizabeth)
Mary Franklin 15
William Franklin 14
Susan Franklin 12
Benjamen Franklin 10
John Franklin 8
Hannah Franklin 7
Emma Franklin 5

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 17; Book: 34; Civil Parish: Thatcham; County: Berkshire; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: ; Page: 1; Line: 18;

Sandy

[Sandyhall]

the reason no Benjamin on 1851 Census

Deaths Dec qtr 1847
Benjamin Franklin, Newbury, Vol No 6, Page no 158.

Sandy

[jdavey]

Hi Sandy & Sue,

Thank you for your feedback, your time is greatly appreciated.

You have put to rest for me that Eliza and Elizabeth are one and the same person.

Many Many thanks

Cheers

Jayne

[Victoria Sellwood Turner]

Hi Sandy & Sue,

Thank you for your feedback, your time is greatly appreciated.

You have put to rest for me that Eliza and Elizabeth are one and the same person.

Many Many thanks

Cheers

Jayne

Hi Jayne,
I am sorry but I am still adamant that Eliza and Elizabeth are two different people. Eliza abt 1820 Greenham being the one who married Luke Lawrence in 1848 and emigrated to Australia, and Elizabeth bap 1823 being the one who married James Sumner of Caversham in 1843 and is with him in 1851 and 1881

76 Chatham St Reading
James Sumner 31 Journeyman Plumber Caversham
Elizabeth 27 Greenham
William F 6 schol Reading
Eliza 4 Scholar Reading
James f 2 Reading

Marsh Newbury
Luke Lawrence 33 Journeyman Carpenter Thatcham
Eliza 29 Dressmaker Greenham
Elizabeth 1 Newbury
Dorcas Wyndham serv 14 Enborne

Is there any way at a distancae to look up parish registers (presumably Thatcham) to find the marriages for their father/s names? Anyone who can help?
Yours
Victoria

[Sandyhall]

Marriages Mar 1848
Atkins Francis Reading 6 275
FRANKLIN Eliza Newbury 6 275
Garlick John Newbury 6 275
Lawrence Luke Newbury 6 275
Norris Hannah Newbury 6 275
White James Newbury 6 275

You need to get the Marriage cert.
Sandy

[Sandyhall]

The other one

Marriages Dec 1843
FRANKLIN Elizabeth Newbury 6 410
Sumner James Newbury 6 410

Sandy

[Sandyhall]

Hi Sue
Just as a matter of interest


Eliza was born 13 July 1823 and baptised 7 September 1823 at the Northbrook St Weslyan, Newbury

Where did you get this info from

Sandy

[jdavey]

Hi Victoria!!

Looks like we are buying the marriage certificates!!! Will probably order Eliza and Luke's soon!! Happy hunting!!

Cheers

Jayne

[Victoria Sellwood Turner]

You need to get the Marriage cert.
Sandy[/QUOTE]

Hello,
Yes, I know, but my budget at the moment will not stretch that far, and the online familysearch records do not show either marriage. Neither are they on the VRl but they may be on film at LDS.
Thanks for your interest anyway.

Yes, Jayne, the certs are the only way. Can you keep me informed, please.

Sandy, it was Elizabeth who was born and bap 1823 from familysearch.

Regards
Victoria

[Staceyp]

Hi Jayne - I don't know if you have any other info on Franklin's but I am trying to find details of my ggrandfather james thomas Franklin who was born in 1854 and christened at Old Church St Pancras London - we think his parents were James Franklin and Catherine Wroot Elston (awaiting arrival of marriage certificate from UK). I have no record of his leaving the UK and arriving in Australia where he married my ggrandmother in Sydney NSW in 1877.
If you have any other Franklin connection that might coincide I would appreciate any info.

[jdavey]

Hi Stacey,
I do not have a James Thomas Franklin in my tree, all my Franklins come from Berkshire. Will let you know if anything pops up.
Cheers

Jayne

[Lindsey64]

I was wondering if anyone has a connection to the following family from Thatcham Berkshire:

Benjamin Franklin born 1792 in Thatcham
married
Elizabeth Freeman born abt 1796 in Greenham, Berkshire

They went on to have 10 children - but I am confused between an Eliza and Elizabeth - looking for confirmation on years of birth. Elizabeth does not show up on the 1841 census with the family.

Kids name and year of birth are as follows:
Sarah 1821
Eliza 1823
Elizabeth abt 1824 ??
Mary 1825
William 1827
Susan 1829
Benjamin 1831
John 1833
Hannah 1835
Emma 1836

Would love to hear if any of this sounds familiar ?

Cheers

Jayne
Hi,

I am the G,G, Great granddaughter of Elizabeth Freeman and Benjamin Franklin. I have some info on the family, not sure what you are looking for. I have traced the Freeman family back to 1660, The Franklin Family back to 1690, The Lawrence Family back to 1485.

Elizabeth Freeman was known to the Family as Betsy.
Eliza and Elizabeth are two seperate people. Eliza was known as Liza.

I am a descendant of Eliza's. Eliza married her cousin Luke Lawrence in 1848 and had 4 children, Anne born circa 1848 and died 1848, Elizabeth Susannah born 12 Dec 1849 died 19 Oct 1939 (my great Grandmother) Thomas born 1851 and James Henry born 1856. Eliza & Luke Lawrence along with Eliza's brother William Franklin and his wife Sophia Moulding emmigrated to Australia on the "Harriet" and arrive Sydney 11 June 1853. Luke and William went searching for gold but were unsuccessful.

William and Sophia settled in Soapy Flats just outside Berrima NSW. They had 5 children. Luke and Eliza went there seperate ways, Eliza settled in Sydney while Luke went exploring.

Elizabeth (Betsy) and her daughters Anne and Emma came to Australia about 1855.
Anne did not marry. Emma married Henry Jeffery and lived in Sydney. (Although I have not confirmed this info.) This info was given to me by my fathers cousin who lived with her grandmother, Elizabeth Susannah (Eliza and Luke's daughter). I believe John Franklin born 1833 also came to Australia.

I have a photo of Elizabeth (Betsty) Franklin nee Freeman, Eliza Lawrence nee Franklinf and Elizabeth Susannah Lutton nee Lawrence if you are interested.

Who in the Franklin family were you looking at in particular?

Hope this is of help to you.

Lindsey

[jdavey]

Hi Lindsay,

Thank you so much for replying, I really appreciate it.
William and Sophia had a daughter Sarah Ann Franklin born c1852, who arrived with them in Australia. Sarah married Francis Wotton in 1880 and they had a daughter Annie Elizabeth Wotton. Annie was the mother of my husband's grandmother. I would love to share information as I have 8 children for William and Sophia. The reason for my original post was due to confusion between Eliza and Elizabeth. My email address is jayne DOT davey AT yahoo DOT com DOT au

Cheers

Jayne

[Victoria Sellwood Turner]

Hi,

I am the G,G, Great granddaughter of Elizabeth Freeman and Benjamin Franklin. I have some info on the family, not sure what you are looking for. I have traced the Freeman family back to 1660, The Franklin Family back to 1690, The Lawrence Family back to 1485.

Elizabeth Freeman was known to the Family as Betsy.
Eliza and Elizabeth are two seperate people. Eliza was known as Liza.

I am a descendant of Eliza's. Eliza married her cousin Luke Lawrence in 1848 and had 4 children, Anne born circa 1848 and died 1848, Elizabeth Susannah born 12 Dec 1849 died 19 Oct 1939 (my great Grandmother) Thomas born 1851 and James Henry born 1856. Eliza & Luke Lawrence along with Eliza's brother William Franklin and his wife Sophia Moulding emmigrated to Australia on the "Harriet" and arrive Sydney 11 June 1853. Luke and William went searching for gold but were unsuccessful.

William and Sophia settled in Soapy Flats just outside Berrima NSW. They had 5 children. Luke and Eliza went there seperate ways, Eliza settled in Sydney while Luke went exploring.

Elizabeth (Betsy) and her daughters Anne and Emma came to Australia about 1855.
Anne did not marry. Emma married Henry Jeffery and lived in Sydney. (Although I have not confirmed this info.) This info was given to me by my fathers cousin who lived with her grandmother, Elizabeth Susannah (Eliza and Luke's daughter). I believe John Franklin born 1833 also came to Australia.

I have a photo of Elizabeth (Betsty) Franklin nee Freeman, Eliza Lawrence nee Franklinf and Elizabeth Susannah Lutton nee Lawrence if you are interested.

Who in the Franklin family were you looking at in particular?

Hope this is of help to you.

Lindsey

Hello Lindsay,
I have a stake in this discussion too, so would be grateful for any help you are able to offer. I am interested in Benjamin Franklin's parents, in particular, his mother, Hannah Sellwood, and some of Benjamin's siblings who are linked with my family. There seems to have been a lot of intermarrying within the Franklin family that I am trying to get to the bottom of.
Also, at least 2 of the Franklin descendants of Anthony and Hannah in the later 19th century married into my Sellwood family.

Do please email me if you have the time vicwinann AT googlemail.com
Yours
Victoria