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stanfield-famil
21-06-2009, 12:21 PM
I have a copy of the family tree going back to 1800 and three brothers who were Jewish.



Fredrick Lewis born 1816 died 1877 aged 61 fathers name James Lewis who married Mary Anne Chappel unsure of date.
Son
Isaac Ralph Bird Lewis born 1858 died 1920 aged 52. Married Mary (Polly) Williams again no date.
Four sons.

Fredrick Lewis born 1882 died 1948 who married Sarah Jane Clark this leads into my direct family tree.
Isaac Lewis no details from what has been passed down he was either still born or died very young but no information found so far.
William Lewis born 1885 died 1963 aged 78 who married Florence Calvert. They had eight children.
James Bernard Lewis no date of birth but died 1914 who married Gertrude Atherton together had a family of five children, then Gertrude married again surname changed to Edwards then had a further three children.

Links to Jewish seem to break on our line after a marriage with a Christian where the Jewish part of the family disowned the son.

pottoka
21-06-2009, 12:49 PM
Marriage reference for Isaac and Mary:

Name: Isaac Ralph B Lewis
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 101

Name: Mary Williams
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 101

stanfield-famil
21-06-2009, 1:17 PM
Thank you for this information will help me move on with this family tree. Newbie managed to trace so far from family hence why dates missing.

pottoka
21-06-2009, 1:30 PM
No Luck on the 1881 or 1891 Census but I think this has to be them in 1901:

Isaac Lewis - 42 - Head - Blacksmith? - Salford, Lancashire, England
Mary Lewis - 39 - Wife - Lr Broughton, Lancashire, England
Fred Lewis - 18 - Son - Drying Machinist (Print Works) - Salford, Lancashire, England
William Lewis - 15 - Son - Metal Turner - Salford, Lancashire, England
Isaac Lewis -13 - Son - Lamp Oiler Hawker - Salford, Lancashire, England
Joseph Williams - 45 - Visitor - Furnishing Polisher - Lr Broughton, Lancashire, England
William Conway - 21 - Boarder - Hr Openshaw, Lancashire, England

I've put a question mark by Blacksmith for Isaac as, in the occupation box, there is a squiggle which may mean ditto for the occupation of the previous Head of Household who is a Blacksmith. I can't think what else it means.

They are living in Ardwick in South Manchester; census reference: Class: RG13; Piece: 3682; Folio: 20; Page: 31

pottoka
21-06-2009, 1:47 PM
Knowing their birth places makes them easier to trace ...

In 1891, they are living in Droyslden in the Ashton-under-Lyne Registration District.

Isaac Lewis - 34 - Head - Chimney-Sweep - Lanc, Salford
Mary Lewis - 31 - Wife - Lanc, Salford
Frederick Lewis - 8 - Son - Scholar - Lanc, Salford
James Lewis - 7 - Son - Scholar - Lanc, Salford
William Lewis - 5 - Son - Scholar - Lanc, Salford
Isaac Lewis - 3 - Son - Lanc, Salford
Albert Edward Lewis - 11/12 - Son - Lanc, Droylsden

Census reference: Class: RG12; Piece: 3283; Folio 15; Page 23

pottoka
21-06-2009, 2:15 PM
Name: Frederick Lewis
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 87

Name: James Lewis
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 70

Name: William Lewis
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 174 or 99 (two in the same quarter)
OR
Name: William Lewis
Year of Registration: 1886
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 35

For Isaac, you have a choice between two:
Name: Isaac Lewis
Year of Registration: 1888
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 71
OR
Name: Isaac Ralph Lewis
Year of Registration: 1887
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 59

Albert Edward is given as being 11 months old on the transcription of the Census but it looks more like 4 to me. But even then, with the Census taken on 5th April, there doesn't seem to be a reference which fits if he was born in Droyslden.

pottoka
21-06-2009, 3:06 PM
Isaac and Mary are living in Salford with Isaac's father, Frederick:

Fredk. Lewis - 65 - Head - Chimney Sweeper - Oldham, Lancashire, England
Isaac Lewis - 22 - Son - Woollen Cloth Stretcher - Salford, Lancashire, England
Mary Lewis - 21 - Daughter in Law - Cotton Cloth Weaver - Salford, Lancashire, England
Henrietta Plant - 21 - Boarder - Manchester, Lancashire, England

This seems to show that Isaac's father didn't die in 1877 as you thought. However, I can't find him on the 1891 Census or in the deaths between 1881 and 1891. Very mysterious!

Census reference: Class: RG11; Piece: 3959; Folio: 107; Page: 41

stanfield-famil
21-06-2009, 5:37 PM
I have come across a photocopy of a entry of birth for Fredrick
no 96
Born 1st July 1887, Hudson Street Salford.
Father Isaac Lewis mother Mary Lewis formerly Williams.
Profession of father Velvet Dresser.

The birth was registered on 8th August 1887.

the photocopy is stamped certifying the above is a true copy of an entry of Birth in a registry book in my custody.
Witness my hand this 26th day of July 1945.

This means Salford seem to be the birth place but I do know further down the line Droylsden and Ashton Under Lyne are places family members settled.

Many thanks for all these leads will follow them all to complete missing information.

pottoka
21-06-2009, 8:30 PM
Another mystery! Why was Fred(e)rick born in 1887 when he appears on the Census as being the eldest child born about 1882? Could the '7' be a badly formed '2'?

Anyway, I've now found his father in 1871, in Salford with his parents:

Fredrick Lewis - 45 - Head - Chimney Sweep - Manchester
Mary Ann Lewis - 45 - Wife - Manchester
James Lewis - 18 - Son - Cotton Spinner - Salford
Frederick Lewis - 15 - Son - do - Salford
Isaac Lewis - 13 - Son - on Employment - Salford
Annie Lewis - 8 - Daur - do - Salford

Census reference: Class: RG10; Piece: 4021; Folio: 166; Page: 34

I've not come across "on Employment" before (it seems fairly clear and is definitely two words, not "unemployment"); I would have thought an 8-year-old child would have been marked as a scholar. I've posted a thread to ask if anyone knows what it means: http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47425

pottoka
21-06-2009, 8:46 PM
Frederick Lewis - 36 - Head - Chimney Sweeper - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Lewis - 36 - Wife - Manchester, Lancashire, England
William Lewis - 15 - Son - Jobbing at a Foundry - Manchester, Lancashire, England
Thomas Lewis - 12 - Son - Chimney Sweep - Salford, Lancashire, England
Emma Lewis - 9 - Daur - Salford, Lancashire, England
James Lewis - 7 - Son - Salford, Lancashire, England
Frederick Lewis - 5 - Salford, Lancashire, England
Isaac R Lewis - 2 - Son - Salford, Lancashire, England

The family is living in Salford; Census reference: Class: RG9; Piece: 2920; Folio: 48; Page: 39

stanfield-famil
21-06-2009, 9:15 PM
Another mystery! Why was Fred(e)rick born in 1887 when he appears on the Census as being the eldest child born about 1882? Could the '7' be a badly formed '2'?

Anyway, I've now found his father in 1871, in Salford with his parents:

Fredrick Lewis - 45 - Head - Chimney Sweep - Manchester
Mary Ann Lewis - 45 - Wife - Manchester
James Lewis - 18 - Son - Cotton Spinner - Salford
Frederick Lewis - 15 - Son - do - Salford
Isaac Lewis - 13 - Son - on Employment - Salford
Annie Lewis - 8 - Daur - do - Salford

Census reference: Class: RG10; Piece: 4021; Folio: 166; Page: 34

I've not come across "on Employment" before (it seems fairly clear and is definitely two words, not "unemployment"); I would have thought an 8-year-old child would have been marked as a scholar. I've posted a thread to ask if anyone knows what it means: http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47425


We have looked at the photo copy again it could be a badly formed 2 thank you for pointing this out to us four of us all said it was 7.

Think we need to go to specsavers :D

pottoka
21-06-2009, 9:57 PM
Name: Frederick Lewis
Year of Registration: 1838
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Manchester (1837-1924)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 614

Name: Mary Ann Chappell
Year of Registration: 1838
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Manchester (1837-1924)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 614

This appears to be Frederick on the 1841 Census, living in Salford:

Frederick Lewis - 20 - Sweep - Y (born in Lancashire)
Margarett Lewis - 20 - Y
James Lewis - 1 - Y
Thomas Lewis - 12 - Y

The writing is quite bad, but the wife's name does appear to be Margrett rather than Mary Ann. This could just be a mistake in the enumerator's reading of Mary Ann's name and copying it. There is a line as if to separate Thomas from Frederick's household; maybe he was a younger brother?

Census reference: Class: HO107; Piece 585; Book: 7; Civil Parish: Salford; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 10; Folio: 33; Page: 14

pottoka
21-06-2009, 10:40 PM
I'm afraid that I can't find your Lewis family on the 1851 Census by whatever means possible. I've tried every permutation that I can think of of Frederick and also of Mary Ann, but they just don't seem to be there!

I've also looked for the birth of Isaac Ralph Bird Lewis without success. With an exotic name like that, there should be an immediate "hit", but there"s nothing. However, in Salford in 1858, there is the registration of a Ralph Chappell Lewis. I have looked for him on the death registers, but he doesn't come up, so maybe it's Isaac who changed his name at some point. There is no birth of an Isaac Lewis registered in Salford between 1856 and 1860.

Name: Ralph Chappell Lewis
Year of Registration: 1858
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 91

If you think that this is your ancestor and want to order a certificate from the GRO, you can put a reference check on it to make sure that Frederick is his father, for example, although that won't explain where the Isaac came from. Some searching in the Parish Records in Salford is probably your next job.