Crosbie - Wigtownshire

[amanda77]

Hi,

am having trouble finding the details for David Crosbie b c1879. He married Janet Scott 1898. His mother is named on marriage cert as Ellen Crosbie.
No father is mentioned and as Ellen has no maiden name listed i assume she was unmarried.
For this reason i am having difficulty locating anything further on this family. Have got loads of info about Janet Scott but David & Ellen seem to have appeared from nowhere then disappeared again.
Found a possible Ellen on 1851 census but seeing as i am just guessing her age etc not getting very far at all.

can anyone help me at all?
amanda

[Lesley Robertson]

Where have you looked?
It sounds as though you have an idea of the geographical area, and the year, so that should be enough to find his birth certificate. It should also be able to find him and Ellen (or possibly Helen, they're interchangeable) on the 1881 census - a search on David Crosbie aged between 1-4 should turn him up on the index. That would give you Ellen's age and birth parish.
If you don't have access to the LDS 1881 census discs, you can search it on Scotland's People, where you can also look for his birth cert - and Ellen's as well once you know how old she was (and assuming/hoping she was born after 1855). You caouls also look for him aged 11-14 on the 1891, and see who he's living with. If Ellen married after his birth, she'll be there as Ellen [new name] but with the same age and birth parish as in the 1881.

[amanda77]

Hi Lesley

I have been searching through LDS and the closest thing i can find is an Ellen Crosbie on 1881 census aged 17 living with her family in Lancashire. No sign of David though.

She is showing as born in Newton Stewart as is David on his marriage cert so this could be an avenue to go down.
I am now wondering if perhaps he was given up for adoption, in which case i have absolutely no idea where to start digging about for that information.

Any ideas?
Thabks for your reply
amanda

[amanda77]

Have got a little bit further with my David CROSBIE mystery.
He was born in St Cuthberts Poorhouse 1879 mother Ellen/Helen also a resident there.

Her parents were William CROSBIE & Mary NOBLE who were married 1847 Angus.
Siblings
Elizabeth Blaikie, b1848 Angus
Mary Johnstone Stuart b 1851 Edinburgh
George Vertue b1860 Edinburgh
Jane b 1865 Edinburgh
The above information has been taken from the LDS so at the moment not proven as yet,

I wonder if anyojne with access to the 1851 census for Edinburgh could perhaps check this family for me. Much appreciated
Regards
Amanda

[maclennan25]

dont know if it helps or not, but here are a couple of extracts from 1881 census....


Institution: "St Cuthberts Poor House" Edinburgh
Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0223989 GRO Ref Volume 685-1 EnumDist 11 Page 22
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Mary SWANSTON U 40 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Seamstress
Margaret SINCLAIR W 83 F Monymusk, Aberdeen, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Cabint Makers Widow
Elizabeth MITCHELL U 21 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Domestic Servant General
Charlotte SUTHERLAND U 59 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Seamstress
Lillias HUNTER U 73 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: General Servant
Christina RICHARDSON U 65 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Dressmaker
Margaret HENDERSON U 32 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper Handicap: Idiot
Occ: None
Julia RISTON M 39 F Jersey, Channel Islands
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Fruit Merchants Wife
Elizabeth GRAHAM W 64 F England
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Booksellers Widow
Jane BANKS W 53 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: House Keeper
Elizabeth GREENING U 24 F England
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Sewing Machinist
Elizabeth THOMSON W 57 F Esk Bank, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Engine Fitters Widow
Margaret ROSS W 75 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Cabinet Makers Widow
Jessie PURCELL U 65 F Abbey, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Seamstress
Jemima MOFFAT W 66 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Bakers Widow
Agnes GIBSON U 28 F Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Hawker Laces
Jane STEWART U 38 F Ireland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Dressmaker
Janet WILSON W 64 F Rossshire, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Bakers Widow
Helen CROSBIE U 21 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: General Servant
Margaret MILL M 46 F Macduff, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Masons Wife
Margaret WATT W 68 F Macduff, Banff, Scotland
9F England
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Booksellers Widow
Jane BANKS W 53 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: House Keeper
Elizabeth GREENING U 24 F England
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Sewing Machinist
Elizabeth THOMSON W 57 F Esk Bank, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Engine Fitters Widow
Margaret ROSS W 75 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Cabinet Makers Widow
Jessie PURCELL U 65 F Abbey, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Seamstress
Jemima MOFFAT W 66 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Bakers Widow
Agnes GIBSON U 28 F Greenock, Renfrew, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Hawker Laces
Jane STEWART U 38 F Ireland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Dressmaker
Janet WILSON W 64 F Rossshire, Inverness, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Bakers Widow
Helen CROSBIE U 21 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: General Servant
Margaret MILL M 46 F Macduff, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Masons Wife
Margaret WATT W 68 F Macduff, Banff, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Farmers Widow
Elizabeth SINCLAIR W 76 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Shawl Weavers Widow
Jessie HUTCHINSON W 49 F Pathhead, Fife, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Bakers Widow
Elizabeth PURDIE U 54 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Pauper
Occ: Laundress
Agnes ROBERTSON W 83 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland

Dwelling: 13 Lothian Rd
Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland
Source: FHL Film 0223990 GRO Ref Volume 685-1 EnumDist 21 Page 3
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Mary CROSBIE M 60 F Edin, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Head
Elizabeth CROSBIE U 33 F Montrose, Forfar, Scotland
Rel: Daur
Elizabeth BOYNE U 62 F Leith, Edinburgh, Scotland
Rel: Serv
Occ: General Domestic Serv

kind regards,
Lorna.

[amanda77]

Hi Lorna,
Thanks but i do have those already.

Appreciated though
Amanda

[amanda77]

Just to update, the parents of Ellen Crosboe mentioned above are not the correct family!
Back to square one i'm afraid.

I am still sure the david and helen on 1881 census are mine though.

[rachelselway]

I know you say that you have info on Janet Scott but I have a Janet Scott in my line and was wondering if she ties up and is the same as yours - if so that would be great cos I could put a marraige with her, at the moment she's all lonely !!
My Janet is Janet Sommerville Scott b.9 Jan 1881 Nine Mile Burn, Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland

Thanks
Rachel

[Lesley Robertson]

Just to update, the parents of Ellen Crosboe mentioned above are not the correct family!
Back to square one i'm afraid.

I am still sure the david and helen on 1881 census are mine though.
If you're not a regular user of Scotlands People, you may not be aware that they now have both the 1851 and 1861 census indexes and images on line.
Have you had a look for the Poorhouse records (http://www.workhouses.org.uk/)?
Lesley Robertson

[amanda77]

I know you say that you have info on Janet Scott but I have a Janet Scott in my line and was wondering if she ties up and is the same as yours - if so that would be great cos I could put a marraige with her, at the moment she's all lonely !!
My Janet is Janet Sommerville Scott b.9 Jan 1881 Nine Mile Burn, Penicuik, Midlothian, Scotland

Thanks
Rachel

Hi Rachel.

I'm afraid it doesn't look like the same line. My Janet was born in Wigtown. What a shame about that.
Lesley,
Thanks for the workhouse link, I have searched through the site and found it fascinating. What a great insight to the way these poor people lived.