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[Dawn Tolson]

Can anyone shed some light on this photo - it is one of many in my grandmothers album. On the back it simply says Mr Taylor. I have no idea who it is or what the ceremonial outfit is? Can anyone help?




http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=50&pictureid=253

[Raffaele]

A bit specialist this so I googled Military Uniform Forums and got linked back to the BG site. But, the military uniform section.

I would have thought it would have more luck there as it will attract those with the specialist knowledge.

If a moderator agrees perhaps we could switch it.

[Dawn Tolson]

Should I repost it?

[Raffaele]

If a moderator does not move it today I would repost it.

[MarkJ]

Don't repost - it will simply cause more confusion and make it harder for you to follow any replies.

Does it need moving I wonder? Is it a military uniform? To me it seems more of some kind of ceremonial robes. The basic dress does seem military, but the robes seem more the kind of thing worn by Lords etc when knighted...

I can move it happily if the general concensus leans towards military :)

Mark (Moderator)

[Raffaele]

Thanks Mark. I would not think it would get the best exposure in Brickwalls so even in Military it might get some useful comments.

Your Call

[Mutley]

I am sure it is more to do with the ceremonial robes of royalty and peers than military, though many were in the military.

Google images for 'emine robes' and it brings up a picture of Edward VII wearing the robes, boots and sword just a different jacket and headgear. (And I think the helmet is the most important factor of this picture.)

Ede and Ravenscroft the Chancery Lane tailors look after robes for members of the House of Lords.


Take a read here.
http://www.geocities.com/noelcox/Sovereigns_Coronation_Robes.htm

[SearchingSadler]

I've tried to describe it to my dad over the phone, he'll be able to tell you tomorrow when he gets here but for now, he says either:

Austrian Hussar or possibly Hungarian

could even be Garde de Corps, the Kaisers Personal Regiment (Bodyguards)

[Mutley]

I've tried to describe it to my dad over the phone, he'll be able to tell you tomorrow when he gets here but for now, he says either:

Austrian Hussar or possibly Hungarian

could even be Garde de Corps, the Kaisers Personal Regiment (Bodyguards)

That is what keeps coming up on the internet. The Black Eagle of the Prussian Body Guards and there is a very similar helmet on google images. :)

[SearchingSadler]

dads just rang me back and asked if he was maybe an actor or a performer at the opera, as theres a few things that don't quite sound like they should be together on the same uniform.

Theres definately similar kaiser helmets to be seen on the web though.

[JenniLl]

He looks just like the actor who is playing Mr Dowland in Lark Rise to Candleford!

Jenni:D

Sorry, I know that is no help - just an observation...

[Dawn Tolson]

lol I think he is not an actor but his presence in the album is questionable to say the least. My grandmother was 'in service' for many of the large houses in London. One of her employers was Lord Brabourne so I am assuming this is someone from the peerage. I cannot find any Mr Taylor or Tayler who was a peer or became a peer at the beginning of the 20th Century. To add to the mystery this is one of many photographs of unidentified men in the album!!! Oh dont you just love mysteries.

[SearchingSadler]

Right, dads has a look, and as far as he's concerned its a 'staged' photograph.

The sword is a marmaluke (british army general officers sword), the helmet is definately a prussian garde de corps helmet of the imperial guard, so the uniform doesn't fit together.

The robe looks like a peer of the realm.

hth

[brianb]

Just a thought, the helmet "looked" too big for his head, but using my scale rule its actually a fraction narrower than his head so wont fit !

And those boots look a bit iffy too, how does a dagger stay in them when they appear baggy ?

If its not staged I doubt they won many battles dressed like that !

Brian

[Dawn Tolson]

This is too funny - well it looks like Mr tayler is a quirk character in the album - she did have an address at one stage that was the household of ..

TAYLER, WILLIAM SPURWAY HEAD MARRIED M 31 PRINTER EPSOM STOKE NEWINGTON
TAYLER, ELLEN CONSTANCE WIFE MARRIED 2 F 25 ESSEX WALTHAMSTOW
TAYLER, BETTY SPURWAY DAUGHTER F 1 KENT FOLKESTONE
SPAIN, EDITH HARRIET SERVANT SINGLE F 16 GENERAL SERVANT DOMESTIC KENT FOLKESTONE


This was from the 1911 census and the address was 10 GLOUCESTER PLACE FOLKESTONE

Anyone know of any amateur dramatic societies there?? I am sure someone somewhere would love a copy of this man's picture!

[SearchingSadler]

printer? maybe he was putting something together to print ;)



This is too funny - well it looks like Mr tayler is a quirk character in the album - she did have an address at one stage that was the household of ..

TAYLER, WILLIAM SPURWAY HEAD MARRIED M 31 PRINTER EPSOM STOKE NEWINGTON
TAYLER, ELLEN CONSTANCE WIFE MARRIED 2 F 25 ESSEX WALTHAMSTOW
TAYLER, BETTY SPURWAY DAUGHTER F 1 KENT FOLKESTONE
SPAIN, EDITH HARRIET SERVANT SINGLE F 16 GENERAL SERVANT DOMESTIC KENT FOLKESTONE


This was from the 1911 census and the address was 10 GLOUCESTER PLACE FOLKESTONE

Anyone know of any amateur dramatic societies there?? I am sure someone somewhere would love a copy of this man's picture!

[Hobson]

Can anyone shed some light on this photo - it is one of many in my grandmothers album. On the back it simply says Mr Taylor. I have no idea who it is or what the ceremonial outfit is? Can anyone help?




http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=50&pictureid=253

Looking at the helmet, with the eagle on it, I would say the uniform is German in style.

[Browneyes]

This is a puzzler. I'm wondering (a) if the sash would normally go from left to right and if anyone recognises that type of sash? (b) Could it be anything to do with the Order of the Black Eagle? (c) What is the significance of the 'rope/chords' across his chest? (d) If he was portraying someone in history for a painting? (e) If 'Mr Tyler' is a different Mr Tyler...an actor someone admired perhaps? and finally does his hairstyle give any clues.

Browneyes.

[Peter_uk_can]

I haven't had time to search all the details from this particular photo, but I know from some research I did years ago that he is holding a helmet of the Prussian Garde du corps (or Gard de Corps) it seems to vary.

I know it was worn in ceremonials in 1914.

Hope this helps point someone in the right direction.

[JenniLl]

It is possible that he was going to take part in some pageant or go to a rather 'posh' fancy dress party and had the photograph taken to record the event.

I have a photograph (of as yet an unknown relative) in fancy dress taken by a professional photographer.)

Jenni :)

[Peter_uk_can]

Now this is like a thread made of cobweb. Lord Brabourne, had a connection through marriages with the Bonham-Carter and Rothschild families.

There are French and Spanish connections and Lord Barbourne travelled the world quite a bit.

None of which seems to identify the photo, but may rattle some better brain cells than I have.

As a point of interest, where on the back of the photo does it say Mr "Taylor"

It's just that in a lot of photo's I have, if a copy was made for someone it seems that there maybe an instinct to write the name in the top left corner, whereas naming the person would be in the middle or along the bottom.

As I said, its all cobweb threads, but without a guess we can sometimes come to a complete stop.

[B.J.D.]

If I may add my five eggs,

I'm pretty sure that the sword is a Napoleonic Mameluke Scimitar and that the Pickle-Baum belonged to either a Prussion or Bavarian officer.
The right to left wearing of the sash would be very unusual for an ordinary officer, though not for royalty.
Another anomoly as I see it is. Officers "Dress uniforms" were imaculately tailored to the individual, which is not the case here.
The tunic and boots were made for a much larger person and the robe? "UHHH well UUMM yes"

My opinion, for what it is worth,is that this rather distinguished looking gent is:- A) An actor or B) Lavishly dressed for a pageant/ball.

It's about now that someone comes up with catagoric proof, that the photograph is of none other than "Crown Prince Frankfurter". The long lost nephew of "King Bradworst". |oopsredfa
Wouldn't that be a lesson in keeping my opinions to myself!!

|5cups|Pop round for a cuppa'

[Browneyes]

So (:D) if he's an actor portraying someone in particular maybe there's a theatrical programme somewhere on the planet...or...if in fancy dress a notice about a forthcoming pageant/ball in the area.

[Dawn Tolson]

Web indeed and to add more to the web here is another photo - this one we think was taken in India - any help or connections?

http://www.british-genealogy.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=50&pictureid=254

[Browneyes]

Wonder if it's a convalescent home during WWI? Gentleman in the middle seems to have a bandaged head and three of the men on the right are presumably in Khaki? Any connections to military men in India during WWI?

[Dawn Tolson]

I belive lord Brabourne was something to do with India - wondered if this could be anything to do with him?

[Browneyes]

Depends on dates relating to him...

[Peter_uk_can]

Maybe this explains something

Lord Brabourne
Film producer

Film producer Lord Brabourne, whose many movies included A Passage to India and Murder on the Orient Express, has died at the age of 80.
Film producer Lord Brabourne, whose many movies included A Passage to India and Murder on the Orient Express, has died at the age of 80.
He passed away peacefully on Thursday at his home in Kent with his wife of 60 years, Countess Mountbatten of Burma, and their six children at his side, a family spokeswoman said.
The arrangements for the funeral and a later memorial service will be announced in due course, the spokeswoman said.
"It is with great sadness that we announce the death of the film producer, Lord Brabourne," the spokeswoman said.
"John Brabourne died peacefully yesterday at his home in Kent surrounded by his devoted wife of nearly 60 years, Countess Mountbatten of Burma, and their six surviving children."
Details of the cause of death were not released.
Lord Brabourne also produced Othello with Lawrence Olivier in 1965 and Up The Junction and Romeo and Juliet in 1967.

Might explain the other photo and the connection with India/Burma.

Is Louis Mountbatten in the photo ? There must be photos of Lord Brabourne

Is the time frame right ?

[Peter_uk_can]

Could this be the man in the photo.

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg251/phlawford/Norton1.jpg

Hair parting usually never changes. This a Norton Knatchbull the brother of Lord Brabourne. Norton never married and was killed by the Nazis in 1943.

[Browneyes]

There's a later photo of Norton on Flickr.com but his mouth looks too small in comparison.

[Peter_uk_can]

I got the details wrong for the picture I posted.

It is Edward Knatchbull, not Norton. Which is a better date for the photo maybe. I am still trying to sort out all he various members of this family.

[Dawn Tolson]

I havent said this before but I really do appreciate all the help and comments!!

[Browneyes]

:D...ah well, an odd goose chase here and there never hurt...

Whilst searching on this I came across something called The Royal Forums - sort of took me by surprise!!

Browneyes

[arthurk]

The group picture in Post #25 above has been bugging me for the past week. I can't write about it without :o displaying a bit of ignorance, so I thought I'd wait to see if anyone else was thinking on the same lines. Apparently not, but here goes anyway.

It's the two men sitting on the left of the picture. The one on the left (as we see them) looks rather familiar to me as a film actor, but I'm not a great film buff, and possibly a bit too young :) . What does anyone else think? The man next to him looks to me a bit like Ian Carmichael, but again, others may have a better idea. The man standing behind them looks slightly familiar too.

Arthur