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tlaporte
30-01-2005, 5:09 PM
Does anyone know of any online resources for family name research into such references as the Battle Abbey Honor Roll, the Domesday Book or any other record of family names from that period?

I am particularly interested in a Bolle family (also written as Bolles, Boal, Boals, Boale in early records). I have read reports of their origin in Bouelles, Normandy, fighting at Hastings, in the Domesday Book etc. but would like to be able to confirm any of these "facts" before relying on them.

Peggy
30-01-2005, 6:19 PM
A spot of googling finds:

Battle Abbey Roll.

There is a Sire de Bolleville listed.

Domesday Book list.

More googling may find more sources.

Peggy

tlaporte
31-01-2005, 7:30 PM
I should have clarified. The two sites pointed out are really just indexes into the Abbey Roll and the Domesday book. If you find an entry where do you go from there? On the Abbey Roll, I suppose there isn't much beyond the name but what period document/source might help to follow up on that name - if any? On the Domesday Book those indexes point to specific Landowners or LandHoldings you can't really tell which, in my case I found the Bole entry but with only the index to check I don't know if that is referring to a name or the place. Again, where do you go from there to find out what the index is referring to?

Any suggestions?

Guy Etchells
03-02-2005, 12:49 PM
Unfortunately you do not give us any clues as to where you live not even a county or country for that matter so it is very difficult to give you useful advice.

The best I can do is mention that parts of Domesday are online but many libraries carry or can obtain copies of the relvenant sections of Domesday published by the likes of Phillimore. In a similar vien they can also obtain (through inter-library loan) books pertaining to the Battle Abbey Roll, ancient survies etc. etc.

This may not be of help as you may live miles from the nearest library.
Cheers
Guy

tlaporte
10-02-2005, 7:07 PM
I am really looking for on line sources but I guess there aren't any. I am rather remote being located in Central Canada (I just added that to my profile info) and we do have libraries but information which may be common in England is not available within the Canadian Inter-library loan system especially things like land surveys. I have made a few requests for the books which you mention.

So, that leaves the internet. Going back to my original request, can anyone suggest any detailed information available on line?

Liz Parkinson
14-02-2005, 10:09 PM
A spot of googling finds:

Battle Abbey Roll.

There is a Sire de Bolleville listed.

Domesday Book list.

More googling may find more sources.

Peggy
I am trying to track the origin of one of my family names DUROSE and its many many variants, which in 11th and 12th centuries appears as De ROS but listed under the R not the D! There are several on the Battle Abbey Roll and a Hubert de RYES on the Domesday book site. How do I go about getting a copy of the relevant bit of the Domesday book via my library - or probably via Stafford Record Office which is where I am doing this particular research. Oh - and what language is it in,

thanks for the links tho

Liz Parkinson

Guy Etchells
15-02-2005, 12:18 AM
Latin, but don't let that bother you the most likely available copy would be from the Phillimores series which has the latin text on one page with the english translation opposite. ;-))

The problem with Domesday is Willy the conq. was a wiley man instead of allowing his barons to amass vast spreads of lands in on area he granted them lands in various counties so as to diminish their power in any particular place.
This means that many volumes of the domesmessage=Latin, but don't let that bother you the most likely available copy would be from the Phillimores series which has the latin text on one page with the english translation opposite. ;-))

The problem with Domesday is Willy the conq. was a wiley man instead of allowing his barons to amass vast spreads of lands in on area he granted them lands in various counties so as to diminish their power in any particular place.
This means that many volumes of the domesday transcripts must be consulted to get all references to a particular person.

There has been a name index published but I do not know how widespread the circulation is.

I have Domesday for Leicestershire, Rutland, Notts., Lincs., Derbs., and Yorks if that helps.
Cheers
Guy

davet
18-02-2005, 9:19 AM
I am trying to track the origin of one of my family names DUROSE and its many many variants, which in 11th and 12th centuries appears as De ROS but listed under the R not the D! There are several on the Battle Abbey Roll and a Hubert de RYES on the Domesday book site. How do I go about getting a copy of the relevant bit of the Domesday book via my library - or probably via Stafford Record Office which is where I am doing this particular research. Oh - and what language is it in,

thanks for the links tho

Liz Parkinson

I have a book (courtesy of the Oxfam shop) 'Domesday People' written & published (2002)by (Ms) V. Tillyard 9 Market Hill, Whitchurch, Aylesbury HP22 4JB. paperback 184 pages. No ISBN number. Which gives a biography and the holdings of individuals listed in the Domesday Book. The author says she deals with 'as many as possible' of the Domesday folk, so probably not a complete listing. But for example she devotes two pages to Liz's Hubert of Ryes and his sons Eudo, Adam & Ralph.

dave

Stephen M. Kohler
23-02-2005, 8:25 PM
It is not going to be easy but it is not impossible. It is just time consuming. The practice of maintaining a surname and passing it to the next generation did not become popular until the Fourteenth Century. So, have you tried Googleling with parenthesis around "Bolles" "Boal" "Boals" "Boale" and other various spellings along with the names of wives, and towns and dates and other key words, and/or Boolean searches yet? Look up the genealogy of Ragnwald Earl of More. Ragnwald was William I’s grandfather. What most folks don’t know is the fact that many of the chiefs that fought under William I were his blood relatives. Beyond the grants that William doled out to his family and loyal retinue many of these men went on to become the chieftons of Scottish Clans. William's uncle Richard de Saint Clair became the chiefton of the Clan Sinclair. Guillaume d'Arques (a cousin who fought with William I) family’s name actually became “Clifford” several generations later.

/R

Stephen
Washington, DC

Patrisia
15-03-2005, 7:13 PM
I had domesday book site bookmarked as I had browsed it in the past, now it seems to be down - have you heard anything about it?

You said I have Domesday for Leicestershire, Rutland, Notts., Lincs., Derbs., and Yorks if that helps.........yes please.

I am not looking for names, just an entry for Smalley, DBY. I am writing up the background/history of the village for my OPS. I have seen someone's quote, that it was mentioned in the Domesday Book but not the actual entry.

Could you help? |bowdown|

Guy Etchells
15-03-2005, 8:22 PM
Not much of an entry for Smalley in Domesday.

It comes under Land of the King (Terra Regis.)
In Smalei 7 Chiteslei IIII. Bő trć.

In Smalley and Kidsley 4 b. of land.

b=bovata (bovate) = one eighth of a carucate ; the amount of land a team of 8 oxen could plough.
Cheers
Guy

Patrisia
16-03-2005, 10:42 AM
Many thanks Guy, I didn't expect there to be much. At least I now know it was mentioned.

jonarmitage
30-03-2005, 10:01 PM
Patrisia,

The Domesday book site you mentioned looked interesting, so I followed the link and discovered that it is still down.

I did a bit more digging: this domain name appears to be registered to a private individual, but there is no web site associated with the domain at all.

Some variations like "doomsday" redirect you to the Phillimores web site, presumably the publisher mentioned above. So sadly, we're no wiser about the land index.

Does anyone know of any helpful online resources?

Jon

ronbolus
01-09-2005, 2:41 AM
Dear tlaporte I have responded to your query on English Civil War thread. My 30 years of research advise you to consider a great many spelling derivations------as i mentioned under Civil War thread. You feel that your ancestors were on both sides in the Civil War; now you want to know about battles in Norman times, references in Doomsday Book etc. Early references include John de la Bulehouse (The Calendar Of Patent Rolls 1224); Henry de Bolus ( Subsidy Rolls of Derbyshire 1327); and many others; look also at many medieval references in Shropshire where a Bolas was a Keeper Of The King's Forest. Yes, we were all at the Battle of hastings. My Grandad who fought in many awful battles in France and Flanders 1914-18 told me that an ancestor : Bolle, Bolus, Bolas, whatever spelling used then........was killed at hastings in 1066; he wasn't actually in the battle : he was camping in the next field and went over to complain about the noise...........

Trish
01-09-2005, 2:54 AM
... Bolle, Bolus, Bolas, whatever spelling used then........was killed at hastings in 1066; he wasn't actually in the battle : he was camping in the next field and went over to complain about the noise...........What a mistake!

RandiMwin1
28-09-2005, 11:43 PM
[QUOTE=Stephen M. Kohler]It is not going to be easy but it is not impossible. It is just time consuming. The practice of maintaining a surname and passing it to the next generation did not become popular until the Fourteenth Century. So, have you tried Googleling with parenthesis around "Bolles" "Boal" "Boals" "Boale" and other various spellings along with the names of wives, and towns and dates and other key words, and/or Boolean searches yet? Look up the genealogy of Ragnwald Earl of More. Ragnwald was William I’s grandfather. What most folks don’t know is the fact that many of the chiefs that fought under William I were his blood relatives. Beyond the grants that William doled out to his family and loyal retinue many of these men went on to become the chieftons of Scottish Clans. William's uncle Richard de Saint Clair became the chiefton of the Clan Sinclair. Guillaume d'Arques (a cousin who fought with William I) family’s name actually became “Clifford” several generations later.

Rod Neep
29-09-2005, 5:29 AM
Does anyone know of any online resources for family name research into such references as the Battle Abbey Honor Roll, the Domesday Book or any other record of family names from that period?
You could try this book on CD from Archive CD Books (http://www.parishchest.com/en-gb/dept_3314.html):
"English Surnames" by Mark Anthony Lower,(published in 1843)

Included is a list of Latinized names and the Roll of Battel Abbey. This is a list of the names of those supposed to have fought for William the Conqueror at The Battle of Hastings. This Roll comprises the three lists compiled by Leland, Holinshed and John Foxes.

http://www.rod-neep.co.uk/acatalog/1373comb.jpg

Regards
Rod

Stephen M. Kohler
04-11-2005, 9:33 PM
R.L., Ah, well then… there’s another possible source for your "Bolles" "Boal" "Boals" "Boale" "Bowles" search in America and it lies with Canadian/American Donald McKay (1st cousin to my great grandmother) the famous designer and builder of Clipper Ships to include the "Flying Cloud" and Flying Dutchman". McKay's grandfather also named Donald was a non commissioned officer in one of the highland regiments during the War for American Independence and stationed in New York Citmessage=R.L., Ah, well then… there’s another possible source for your "Bolles" "Boal" "Boals" "Boale" "Bowles" search in America and it lies with Canadian/American Donald McKay (1st cousin to my great grandmother) the famous designer and builder of Clipper Ships to include the "Flying Cloud" and Flying Dutchman". McKay's grandfather also named Donald was a non commissioned officer in one of the highland regiments during the War for American Independence and stationed in New York City. At wars the England could not afford passage for many of the soldiers to return to Great Britain so they were mustered out in North America. Land in the maritime islands (Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island etc.) and Canada was offered to Loyalist, and to British and Hessian soldiers to settle in Nova Scotia. At seventeen grandson Donald McKay traveled to the shipyards of Newburyport, East Boston, and New York City and studied to be a designer and shipbuilder. McKay's first wife was a Bolles. The Bolles were a prominent Fifth Avenue Anglo-American Family living in downtown New York City. McKay having finished his apprenticeships in New York traveled with his bride back to the shipyards in East Boston, Massachusetts. Many members of the Bolles family were involved in the shipping industry there.

I am a descended from United Empire Loyalists, Hessians, Highlanders and American rebels alike and proud of it.

Stephen
Washington, DC

Stephen M. Kohler
04-11-2005, 10:15 PM
R.L., many of the men named in the Doomsday Register are blood relatives of William I. They are the progeny of Ragnwald Earl of More and his sons, and his brothers and their son. The lineage flows from Ragnwald, to Rollo (Rollen), to William I. Rollo (Rollen) invaded NW France and settled in treaty for propriety of what’s now Normandy with King Charles the Simple of France. Charles got a ready made army of Norseman, Jutes, Danes, and Swedes out of the deal. Events beginning with Ragnmessage=R.L., many of the men named in the Doomsday Register are blood relatives of William I. They are the progeny of Ragnwald Earl of More and his sons, and his brothers and their son. The lineage flows from Ragnwald, to Rollo (Rollen), to William I. Rollo (Rollen) invaded NW France and settled in treaty for propriety of what’s now Normandy with King Charles the Simple of France. Charles got a ready made army of Norseman, Jutes, Danes, and Swedes out of the deal. Events beginning with Ragnwald’s brother’s land push in the Orkneys and eventually William I’s invasion enfolded the Scots into this trust. Simplicity is they are all Celt tribes of one origin or another and along with their Irish, Brit, Welsh, Cornish, Angles and Saxons rose up out of the Tigris and Euphrates valley a millennia or two before. Studies within the Smithsonian Institute reveal very little difference in the DNA of these people. Beyond all religious dogma, and political rhetoric this group of peoples share a very close and interesting gene pool. Some are willing to say they are the ten lost tribes of Israel.

Stephen
Washington, DC