Ferguson. Parish of Kincardine

[Fergie]

I'm researching the Fergusons who came from Balquhidder to take part in the clearing of Kincardine moss near the area now known as Blairdrummond.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/38fergie/KincardineChurch1a.jpg

Cheers.

............... (this is my first posting)

[Lesley Robertson]

I'm researching the Fergusons who came from Balquhidder to take part in the clearing of Kincardine moss near the area now known as Blairdrummond.

(this is my first posting)

And welcome to Brit-Gen!
It's good to see that you've found an appropriate forum. Now, why don't you tell us a bit about your research, perhaps about someone you're stuck on, and we'll see what can be done. Remember to provide whatever info you're already sure of, and tell us where you've already looked.

Lesley

[Fergie]

I am descended from the Fergusons of the Parish of Kincardine. One of the 'Moss Lairds'
On the 1841 census, my ancestor, Peter Ferguson is shown as a farmer at Robertson Lane.
He was born on 18th January, 1801 and was the son of Donald and Murran.
Peter had siblings called Janet (b1792) Robert (b1795) Mary ( b1797) Catherine (b1798) John (b1803) Alexander (b1805) and Donald (b1807)

The 1814 census carried out by Blairdrummond Estates show a 12 year old Peter living with a Donald and Catherine Ferguson in the area of 'Hill of Drip'. I will assume that Catherine is Donald's scond wife.

Donald and his family vanish after 1814 but by chance I came across the passenger list fir the Brig 'Sophia' sailing from Greenock in 1818 and there they were, Donald (Daniel) and family on their way to Canada. At least I think it's them, or at least some of them. You can see the ships list Here (http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/passengerlists/sophia1818.htm)
I'm stuck after that although I would like to know what they did and where they went after they got there.
My ancestor Peter, married Ann McNaughtan on 24th November 1824.
Anyone wants more info on that family, then just get in touch.

Cheers.

[Fergie]

Can someone help me in demolishing a brick wall.

The 1871 census for Robertson Lane in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, shows my GGG grandparents Peter Ferguson and wife Mary in residence with their 40 year old daughter Marion and robert Ferguson who is their 10 year old grandson.
I have a birth shown in the OPR for 1859 for Robert Ferguson being born to Catherine Ferguson. I am assuming that Catherine is the daughter of Peter and his first wife Ann McNaughton.
From there on in, everything is a problem.

I can find no trace of Catherine and Robert on the 1861 census.

I can't find Catherine on the 1871 census.

And dispite a search in the Edinburgh Records Office I can find no trace of either of them after 1871.

It would be greatly appreciated if anyone can uncover some info on them.

Cheers.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/38fergie/RobertsonLaneFarm-1.jpg
Robertson Lane Farm.

[Pandad]

Fergie

Just had a look at the 1871 census on *Ancestry*, the index only - not the actual census record - and assume this is the record in question?
Year: 1871: Kincardine; ED: 1; Page: 1; Line: 16
Peter Fergusuon/Head/70(1801)/Kincardine, Perthshire
Mary Ferguson/Wife/40(1810)/Kincardine, Perthshire
Marion Ferguson/Daughter/40(1831)/Stirling, Stirlingshire
Robert Duncan/Grandson/10(1861)/St Ninians, Stirlingshire
John Fleming/Servant
Johm Stang/Servant

If this is the correct entry then a couple of points to clarify.

The Ancestry index records the surname of Robert as DUNCAN and not FERGUSON as per your entry. Also, the index has his mother recorded as MARION and not CATHERINE as per your entry.

From the above I assume the mother of Robert is the daughter of Peter and Mary i.e. Marion.

You have found an 1859 OPR record for the birth of Robert and mother Catherine. Suggest you obtain birth certificate as official records began in 1855 and will provide much more detail than OPR.

I am now going to search the 1861 for a Robert DUNCAN with a mother of MARION to see what I come up with.

[Pandad]

Not much luck in finding Robert DUNCAN with a Marion. But did find Peter and family in 1861 to 1841 and posted details just in case you do not have them.

1861: Robertson Lane/Kincardine/ED 1/ Page 1
Peter, 60
Mary 51
Peter 15 Son
Ann Carville 10 Granddaughter

1851: Robertson Lane/Kincardine/ED 3/ Page 4
Peter 50
Janet 26 Dau
John 16 Son
Christine 13 Dau
Margaret 10 Dau
Peter 5 Son

1841:Robertson Lane/Kincardine/ED 3/ Page 11
Peter 50
Anne 35
Janet 16
Marion 14
Daniel 11
Hellen 8
John 6
Cathrine 3

[Mary Young]

Also, the index has his mother recorded as MARION and not CATHERINE as per your entry.
Beware this pitfall! The census only records relationship to the head of household, not between individuals. Because Marion Ferguson is recorded as "daughter" and Robert Duncan as "grandson" we can't assume they are mother and son - they could be aunt and nephew.
It's possible that Robert was registered as Robert Ferguson, illegitimate son of one of the Ferguson daughters, and "going by" his father's name, i.e. Duncan.
Certainly worthwhile viewing the birth registration for Robert Ferguson, born 12 Dec. 1860 to Catherine Ferguson, at the very least, the place of birth may confirm the relationship.
Also worthwhile looking for Catherine Ferguson's death between 12 Dec. 1860 and date of 1861 census.

[Fergie]

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/38fergie/B-G%20Forums/Chart.jpg

Above is a chart that I made up from census returns.

1851....Marion is working as a dairymaid at Blairdrummond House. The whereabouts of Daniel and Helen are unknown

1861.... The whereabouts of Janet and Marion are unknown. Danel, Helen and John have married and moved out. Don't know where Catherine is and Margaret has married. Ann Carville is the result of a brief encounter between Janet and a John Carville.

1871.... Janet is still missing. and Marion has come home. Daniel, Helen. John and Margaret are all married and Catherine seems to have vanished. Don't know where young Peter is but he married Jessie Jamieson in 1873, they had a son, Peter in 1875 and then they all disappear into into the wild blue yonder.

And there you have just some of the puzzles. Hope it hasn't bored you all to death but it was good tell it all to someone else.

( I forgot to say that young Peter is the child of Peter and Mary )

Cheers. :D

[Astoria]

I love your chart, how did you create it? :)

[Fergie]

I created it in Microsoft Publisher.

I also used Publisher to make the document below. I found it very useful when copying down info from original census documents.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee209/38fergie/B-G%20Forums/1881CensusBlank.jpg


I also made up blanks for 1841 and 1851. The 61 and 71 blanks may have been accidently deleted. (or I just can't find them)

Cheers.

[Fergie]

Pandad.
I did post a 'Thank You' for your time and trouble taken in assisting me but I have obviously posted it in the wrong place.
My doctor keeps telling me that doing such things (and other sundry illnesses) are caused by "too many birthdays".

Cheers. :D

[Pandad]

Beware this pitfall! The census only records relationship to the head of household, not between individuals.

I do agree with you Mary but I only recorded what was indexed as extracted below. I would love to see what the actual census return records as it may through some light on the subject and I think it is worthy of further investigation as you suggest via birth record.

Extract from 1871 index for Robert Duncan.
Age:10
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1861
Relationship:Grandson
Mother's Name:Marion
Gender: Male
Where born:St Ninians, Stirlingshire

What is the possibility that Catherine aged 3 in the 1841 and Christian aged 13 in the 1851 are the same person? My reasoning is the age increases by 10 years, Christian is not recorded in 1841 and Catherine is not recorded in 1851. I think a look at the OPR for birth/baptism maybe worth while to confirm my assumption. It could also confirm the birth year of Marion who in 1841 is 14 (b.1827) and in 1871 is 40 (b.1831).

[Pandad]

Possibility? Reverted to her old profession of Dairymaid with her previous employer?


Marion Ferguson
Age:50 Estimated Birth Year:abt 1831 Relationship:Servant Gender:Female Where born:Kincardine, Perth Registration Number:364 Registration district:Kincardine Civil Parish:Kincardine County:Perthshire Address:Blair Drummond Mansion Ho Occupation: Dairymaid (Maid)

1881: Parish: KincardineED:2 Page: 10 Line:18

[Pandad]

A very good possibility - Index info only.

Year: 1891 Parish: Kincardine; ED: 1; Page: 3; Line: 24 Address: Robertson's Lane

Daniel Ferguson/Head/62(1829)/Farmer/Kincardine, Perthshire
Margaret Ferguson/Wife/61(1830)/Farmer's Wife/Kincardine, Perthshire
Marion Ferguson/Sister/64(1827)/Dairymaid/Kincardine, Perthshire
Peter Ferguson/Nephew/16(1875)/Ploughman/Kincardine, Perthshire
Margaret Somerville/Servant/15(1876)

The age of Daniel matches with previous data along with sister Marion, who has her correct age.

Is Peter the Nephew, born 1875, the son of Peter Ferguson and Jessie Jamieson, who married in 1873, and were mentioned previously?

[Pandad]

Another good possibility - Index info only.

Year: 1901 Parish: Kincardine; ED: 1; Page: 6; Line: 9 Address: Robertsonshane

Daniel Ferguson/Head/71(1830)/Farmer/Kincardine, Perthshire
Margaret Ferguson/Wife/71(1830)/Farmer's Wife/Kincardine, Perthshire
Marcon Ferguson/Sister/73(1828)/Farmer's Sister/Kincardine, Perthshire
John Ferguson/Servant/14(1887)/Farm Serv/Kincardine, Perthshire
Maggie Dabriel/Servant/14(1887)/Servant Domestic/Airdrie, Lanarkshire

Notes on index: (possible transcription errors)
Address is recorded as Robertsonshane.
Marion is recorded as Marcon.
Is John the Servant related?

[Pandad]

Another possibile link - Index info only.

Year: 1881 Parish: Kincardine; ED: 1; Page: 4; Line: 3 Address: Robertsons Lane

Daniel Ferguson/Head/52(1829)/Ploughman/Kincardine, Perthshire
Margaret Ferguson/Wife/52(1829)/Ploughman's Wife/Kincardine, Perthshire
Peter Ferguson/Nephew/6(1875)/Scholar/Kincardine, Perthshire

Nephew Peter recorded in 1881 and 1891 living with Daniel & Margaret. Did something happen to his parents?

[Fergie]

I think the nephew Peter might be the son of Peter Ferguson and Jessie Jamieson. There were two Peters born about the same time. One in Kincardine and the other in Kilmadock.

Cheers.

[Astoria]

Thank you for the chart information Fergie :)

I shall have a play.

[Fergie]

Astoria.
If you wish, I could send a copy as a word document that you could modify it to suit yourself.

[peterxyz]

Fergie - this is over a decade old, but I'm descended from Carville from Kincade.

I have a Jane Young (nee Carville) and Peter Carville (her brother) in New Zealand. She was widowed and emigrated in 1896 (I assume that he was on the same boat, but haven't checked)
Death notice
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MT19280813.2.87.1?items_per_page=100&query=peter+carville&snippet=true

WikiTree https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Carville-52

[Lesley Robertson]

Welcome to the British Genealogy Forum, Peter.
I'm sorry, but Fergie is no longer a member of BG. You can see that as he/she is tagged "guest" under his/her username, where yours is tagged Newcomer. Once someone actually leaves BG (as opposed to just disappearing), their data is removed from our database and we have no way to contact them for a New-message notification.

The threads remain on the forum as the information and help from our members can help more than one person.