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fizzernz
29-07-2008, 7:14 PM
Hello
Í'm new to this group but am hoping it might provide some information about
my great great grandfather, Frederick Palmer
Most of the information I have is family folklore, which needs to be treated
with some scepticism. Family folklore has it that he was a
physician/surgeon and that he was a ships surgeon, and died at sea circa
1837 in the Caribbean. We cant find any record of his death.
Not only Frederick Palmer, but his son (my Gr greatfather) Arthur Wellington
Palmer seem to have been somewhat elusive.
Frederick Palmer seems to have been born circa 1800 in Liverpool,
Lancashire. We cant find a birth for him, and not knowing his parents
names doesnt help.
The following is fact.
Frederick Palmer married Harriet Denis Hensman on 17 September 1833
in Liverpool. From the marriage details he is described as a widower,
although extensive searches have found no marriage for him in England.
They had a son, Arthur Wellington Palmer, who was baptised on 2 December
1834 in Liverpool.
Another son, Horatio Frederick Palmer was also born circa 1836 - birthplace
unsure. One source has it as Brooklyn New York, en route to Jamaica,
another source says Jamaica.
Now.....through the Jamaica Family Search site I have found a Frederick
Palmer marrying a Sussanah Yates in 1826 in Kingston. I cant find any death
of Sussanah, but it would give credence to Frederick's claim as a widower on
his marriage to Harriet.
Through the same site I can find a Frederick Palmer in 1831 and 1832
Almanacs as a planter (is he MY Frederick Palmer?)

In 1834 I have a newspaper report of Frederick Palmer, formerly of Rosanna
Mount, in the parish of Port Royal, Planter and Practitioner in Physic and
Surgery, then of ......(numerous Liverpool addresses)....in the insolvency
courts In Liverpool

I have Harriet Palmer (named as widow of the late Dr Frederick Palmer)
advertising in the Liverpool Mercury in 1839 as opening a school for ladies.
(Family folklore says she did in fact teach young ladies)

Family folklore also says that Frederick died in or around Jamaica and was
'well off'. Unfortunatly Frederick had left his affairs with a trusted
friend who absconded with the lot and left Harriet destitute. Somehow she
managed to get herself and her two young sons back to Liverpool where she
took up teaching as a living.

Frederick has proved very elusive (as has his son Arthur Wellington Palmer)
I know some about Arthur Wellington Palmers life but cant find his death
(althought I think possibly in Australia) Even his son, my great
grandfather, Arthur Stanley Palmer has secrets. I have three possible
birthplaces for Arthur Stanley, but cannot confirm or deny any.

If anyone has any clues, I would so love to hear from you.

Kind regards
Paula Wells

Wirral
03-08-2008, 2:19 PM
Some of your Family folklore seems to be accurate.
1841 census HO107/561/21 folio 12 page 16, 29 Bedford Street North, Liverpool, Lancashire
Harriett PALMER 30 Teacher
Arthur PALMER 6
Horatio PALMER 5
All born in Lancashire. Also in the house are 2 teachers, a medical student & 2 servants.

1851 census HO107/2175 folio 797 page 46, Old Chester Road, Tranmere, Cheshire (just a ferry ride across the River Mersey from Liverpool)
Harriett STRAKER, head, wid, 40, Teacher (private), Liverpool
Arthur W. PALMER, son, Unm, General merchant's clerk, Liverpool
Horatio F. PALMER, son, 14, Broker's clerk, America, British subject
Eve STRAKER, dau, 6, scholar, Liverpool
Clara Mary STRAKER, dau, 3, scholar (at home), Cheshire, Rock Ferry
Mary HENSMAN, mother, wid, 70, Annuitant, Hunts. Huntingdon
Alice McDONALD, serv, U, 20, General servant, Ireland

Harriett D. HENSMAN/PALMER married John C. STRAKER in 1844 in Liverpool. ( www.lancashirebmd.org.uk (http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk) )

Intriguingly, I found these entries in the New South Wales & Tasmania covict records:
Frederick PALMER convicted 11 May 1835, went to New South Wales on the Royal Soverign, arriving in 1835.
Frederick Palmer HULME, arrived on the Royal Sovereign in 1835, life sentence, pardoned 1846 - 1849.

Could he be yours? :eek:

LynnSmith
04-10-2016, 9:16 AM
Hello Paula

I too am looking for information about my Great great grandfather, Arthur Wellington Palmer and wondered if you have been able to find any other information and confirm any of the family folk lore.

The transcription of the church marriage registers that are in the Christchurch Library (NZ) records the birth place of Arthur Stanley Palmer as being on 1 December 1867 in Sydney, NSW, Australia.

Your post was some years ago now but if you are still following the site, I would love to hear from you.

Kind regards
Lynn

fizzernz
05-10-2016, 7:06 AM
Hi Lynn
Delighted to hear from you! Another rellie!! I am fascinated that you have a birth registration for Arthur Stanley Palmer. That has always been a mystery regards where he was born. Over the years I've done a lot of research into the Palmers, I have found quite a lot about Frederick Palmer, and also Arthur Wellington Palmer ( I have to say he seems a bit 'dodgy') There is family folklore that we have disproved. For years no one seemed to know what happened to Arthur Wellington Palmer, but I know now that he died in Australia in 1893, and was buried in an unmarked, maybe paupers grave (have copy of death registration). There is not a lot I can send you tonight (very tired) but hopefully at the weekend I can send you what I have.
Best regards
Paula
BTW my email is paula_wellsATxtraDOTco.nz
I am a grand daughter of Stanley Keith Palmer...where do you fit in?

geneius
05-10-2016, 1:51 PM
Name: Arth Dennys Palner
Birth Year: abt 1834
Age: 59
Death Place: Brighton, Victoria
Mother's name: Hart Hensman
Registration Year: 1893
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 8950

:confused5:The Baptism carry's the name Harrriett DENNIS

Hart could be Harriett

Henson mother's maiden name.....

Arthur & Horatio are listed on this ship's manifest

Name: Arthur Palmier
Estimated birth year: abt 1836
Age: 16
Arrival Date: 15 Nov 1852

Name: Arthur Palmer
Arrival Port: Port Phillip Bay, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Rip Van Winkle
Nationality: English

Name:
Arthur Palmer
Port of Departure:
Melbourne
Port of Arrival:
Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date:
16 Jun 1871
Vessel Name:
Blackbird

AWP appears to have married twice

1)Arthur Wellington Palmer
Spouse Name: Eliza Dodd
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1857
Registration Number: 3882

Issue Name: Annie Florence Palmer
Birth Date: Abt 1860
Birth Place:Richmond, Victoria
Registration Year: 1860
Registration Place: Victoria, Australia
Father: Athur Welling Palmer
Mother: Iliza Dodd
Registration Number: 7059

2) Name: Arthur Palmer
Gender: Male
Marriage Year: 1883
Relation: Bridegroom
Spouse: Victorine Goddard
Folio Number: 2828

NB
Frederick PALMER & Harriett Dennis HENSMAN were married by Licence ( not Banns) you need to obtain a copy of the marriage Licence to see what add'l information is given.

geneius
05-10-2016, 2:11 PM
Old link

https://www.british-genealogy.com/archive/index.php/t-32465.html

geneius
05-10-2016, 8:34 PM
:mad::mad:#5 the marriage licence is on FMP the site t & c prevent me from giving them to you! More to the point I cannot read them on my mobile

geneius
06-10-2016, 10:23 AM
Parent search of familysearch.org


Frederick Augustus Palmer
Jamaica, Church of England Parish Register Transcripts, 1664-1880
christening:
7 February 1828
Port Royal, Jamaica
father: Frederick Palmer
mother: Susannah Palmer

1851 UK Census HO107; Piece: 2175; Folio: 891; Page: 49

Charles Yates Palmer
Jamaica, Church of England Parish Register Transcripts, 1664-1880
christening:
1 January 1832
Port Royal, Jamaica
father: Frederick Palmer
mother: Susanna

May e you need to look at Liverpool trade directory and the medical register to see if you can establish more facts about Frederick

geneius
06-10-2016, 12:18 PM
http://www.jamaicanfamilysearch.com/Members/r3n-p.htm

This marriage is also by Licence

Marriage: June 29, 1826, Port Royal (Source: B0085 Port Royal Parish Register BMB I & II, 1725-1835, I, p. 302.)

If you haven't looked at the original documentation I would recommend that you source it.