POWELL BAPTISIM LOOK-UP PLEASE

[susan-y]

I am wondering if anyone has access to baptism records in Much Cowarne?
On the birth registration it appears to say Wirresgreen (?-- I've enlarged it and still am having trouble reading it).

I am looking for Jane Powell, born Jan.1, 1853 to Elizabeth Powell. No father named...
Yet,:confused::confused: later in a census I found a father listed as James and on her marriage registration is says ....father John Powell.....:confused:

I am hoping a baptisim may clear things up a bit|laugh1|

Thanks to anyone who can help

Sue

[Peter Goodey]

Yet,:confused::confused: later in a census I found a father listed as James and on her marriage registration is says ....father John Powell.....:confused:



I had a look in the 1861 and 1871 censuses and she appears to have been living with her grandparents. I don't see a father listed although I think I see where you may have got confused.

Father's names on marriage certificates are notoriously unreliable. It was not unknown for a father to be invented in the interests of 'decency'.

[susan-y]

I had a look in the 1861 and 1871 censuses and she appears to have been living with her grandparents. I don't see a father listed although I think I see where you may have got confused.

Father's names on marriage certificates are notoriously unreliable. It was not unknown for a father to be invented in the interests of 'decency'.

Thanks Peter!

I have also found her with her grandparents. I have also found several Elizabeth Powells, some with a husband John, some on their own, one with a husband James Powell........ perhaps Elizabeth wasn't married, perhaps John was working away from home, perhaps Jane stayed with her grandparents frequently, perhaps her mother had died, perhaps it wasn't John, but James......the questions continue:confused:

On Jane's marriage registration John's occupation is listed as a "Coachman". I looked on the 1881 census for London for a John Powell, coachman...found a John Powell, " Cabman" would this be the same? Still no idea if that would be her father.... he had a young wife and a 1 yr. old daughter;)

I tried Thomas and Susan (grandparents) on the 1851 census and found them with only one daughter at home...Emma 8.

Jane died in 1893 and her daughter, my grandmother spent alot of time with her paternal grandparents, don't know about her maternal ones.

Sue

All this is the reason I am hoping some kind soul can do a baptisim lookup... Please..|banghead|

[Peter Goodey]

I think you'll find she wasn't married ;).

Your best bet will probably be to order the film of the parish registers through the Mormons.

[Andrew Mead]

As you know the place, you may do much better with the Herefordshire county forum, than this, which is intended for general church register comments/queries rather than specific places.

[susan-y]

As you know the place, you may do much better with the Herefordshire county forum, than this, which is intended for general church register comments/queries rather than specific places.

Okay! Would of the nice moderators please move this thread for me to the Herefordshire pages..... if you think that would be a more successful place to be.:D

Thankyou

Sue

[Jan1954]

Okay! Would of the nice moderators please move this thread for me to the Herefordshire pages..... if you think that would be a more successful place to be.:D

Thankyou

Sue
Done! ;)

[susan-y]

|hug|to Jan.

Sue

Now...... all you Powells in Herefordshire.....I'm waiting|laugh1||laugh1|

[susan-y]

A little update..

In 1851 census, Elizabeth Powell, Jane's mother was a general servant for Richard Meredith, a farmer of 200 acres at 23 Upper Bridgend, Much Cowarne.
I have looked on "Herefordshire Field Names Data Base"..could only find a John Meredith in Much Cowarne. I'm not sure of the years this list covers..Richard had a son John, born about 1841. Does anyone know anything about the Merediths?

I am still unable to find out anything else about Elizabeth and who Jane's daddy was.....|banghead|

This makes me feel incomplete...there's an unknown there that may never be known|shakehead

It's like putting together that 1000 piece jigsaw, but the box only had 999 pieces.|sad1|.Part of me is missing ( Please..... no smart comments|scold|)

Sue

[IvorClucas]

Sue,

The index of birth registrations that I have has transcribed the place as WINNSGREEN. MUCH COWARNE. (rather than your Wirresgreen). I have just looked at the Ordinance Survey Map for the area and there is a "hamlet"/farm just to the west (about 2 km) of Much Cowarne called Wynn's Green. I think this must be the place.


Hope this helps

Ivor

[susan-y]

Sue,

The index of birth registrations that I have has transcribed the place as WINNSGREEN. MUCH COWARNE. (rather than your Wirresgreen). I have just looked at the Ordinance Survey Map for the area and there is a "hamlet"/farm just to the west (about 2 km) of Much Cowarne called Wynn's Green. I think this must be the place.


Hope this helps

Ivor

Hello Ivor and thanks :)

Maybe with a correct spelling I will have better luck in my searching. I have trouble understanding how English communities are set up. Would Winnsgreen be a small town, just a home address or a mistake by the original transcriber or person who entered the record and it should have read Wynn's Green? I thought Much Cowarne was the town, but is it an area? :confused:
:confused::confused:

Here I go again!

Sue

PS> It is Much Cowarne, not Much Cowan(e)....correct? I have seen several different spellings.|biggrin|

[IvorClucas]

Sue,

The present day spelling is Much Cowarne but I am sure (like most places) the spelling has changed over the centuries. If you go to http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/HEF/MuchCowarne/Littlebury1876.html
you will find a description of it as it was in 1876 - a small village. You will see that Richard Meredith is mentioned as a farmer at Bridgend. Wynn's Green is even smaller - just a collection of houses, I suspect, to the west.

If you go to http://wheresthepath.googlepages.com/wheresthepath.htm
and put in Much Cowarne you will see a map and Satellite image of Much Cowarne and to the West Wynne's Green.....enjoy

The registrar would have asked the person registering the birth where the mother lived and they would have said the name of the house - Wynn's Green, the registrar would have written it down as he heard it (Winnsgreen) probably not knowing the place itself. The person registering the birth probably could not read and write and therefore did not correct the spelling - this is how the names of places, and people change over the centuries.

Cheers

Ivor

[susan-y]

Ivor...

I love satellite images and why I didn't think of that sooner....:confused: Thankyou so very much for that site!
I am familiar with the Genuki site..thanks again..now I'm off to explore your beautiful country some more. I can see where all the ancestors lived! |biggrin|

Don't know if I'll find Jane's Daddy, but at least I'll know where she grew up!

Sue

[IvorClucas]

Sue,

Glad you like the web site - it is great isn't it,

Good luck with finding Jane's Dad......not an easy one:confused:

Ivor

[susan-y]

I'm still searching away and not having alot of luck, however I have found people of all walks of life at Winsgreen( spelling on the census) including a taylor (sic) and what appears to say bread man. Did they have bread men in those days...1851?:confused:
I must say the census takers in Herefordshire had beautiful penmanship.:).just some of it didn't copy very clearly.
In the 1861 census there is a John Powell, 2 years younger than Jane and he is listed as a grandson of Thomas and Susan ...I'm guessing he may be a brother of Jane and whose name she used for a father on her marriage certificate.
Well back to work...( insert smilie with a shovel--for digging away!)

Sue

[genealogy_gen]

Just on the off chance- I've just started researching my grandmother's family which is quite a mystery! My great-grandmother is Charlotte M Powell and the closest match I can find is a marriage in 1913 to a William Bowden (my great-grandfather's name). I was wondering whether in your research you've come across her as I'm reaching a dead end at the moment. She was born on 22/4/1893.

Thanks for any help you can give me!

[susan-y]

Hi genealogy_gen...

Sorry, I haven't come across a Charlotte in my Powell searches. Do you know where she was born? There are certainly alot of Powells and no answers, it seems. At least now her name is on here, someone may pick up on her when doing a search and help will be at hand. If I find a connection I will let you know.

Sue:)

PS> Welcome to the forum.... you will be amazed at all the help that is forthcoming on this site.